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Here’s the thing: you don’t get the benefit of the doubt when you hold opinions that have been demonstratably wrong for 40+ years. It counts as evidence of you

Here’s the thing: you don’t get the benefit of the doubt when you hold opinions that have been demonstratably wrong for 40+ years. It counts as evidence of your poor judgement and terrible moral compass. Especially when you espouse other opinions that are toxic trash and are highly correlated to the previous ones. The benefit of doubt has been long used up on these topics. If you hold these opinions today as an adult you made a concious choice to be a bigot.

cpmouter 8y ago
You're just confirming what the parent says: only people with enlightened, progressive ideas can say whatever they want.
- samastur 8y ago
  In their company, sure. Try being a liberal at a Trump rally. Things may have gotten worse, but there was never a time when you could freely say without consequences whatever you thought in whichever social group. It may have felt like that if you were part of a privileged group and did not stray too far.
  - pliny 8y ago
    My question was normative, I suppose another way to rephrase it is "Do you want to live in a world where only people with the correct opinions can make jokes and enjoy the benefit of the doubt? If not, why are you enforcing social norms you don't endorse?" The choice isn't automatic: abritinthebay apparently does endorse a hostile interpretation of any speech by people who "hold opinions that have been demonstratably wrong for 40+ years" and "made a concious choice to be a bigot", which I believe makes both comedy and nuance impossible, but at least they're honest about it.
- abritinthebay 8y ago
  Not at all. You appear to be trying to fit my words to your conclusion. I’m saying demonstratably bad positions will be called out as such. Doesn’t matter if they are or are from progressive people. So please stuff that strawman somewhere else.

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Here’s the thing: you don’t get the benefit of the doubt when you hold opinions that have been demonstratably wrong for 40+ years. It counts as evidence of you

by abritinthebay 8y ago

cpmouter 8y ago
You're just confirming what the parent says: only people with enlightened, progressive ideas can say whatever they want.
- samastur 8y ago
  In their company, sure. Try being a liberal at a Trump rally. Things may have gotten worse, but there was never a time when you could freely say without consequences whatever you thought in whichever social group. It may have felt like that if you were part of a privileged group and did not stray too far.
  - pliny 8y ago
    My question was normative, I suppose another way to rephrase it is "Do you want to live in a world where only people with the correct opinions can make jokes and enjoy the benefit of the doubt? If not, why are you enforcing social norms you don't endorse?" The choice isn't automatic: abritinthebay apparently does endorse a hostile interpretation of any speech by people who "hold opinions that have been demonstratably wrong for 40+ years" and "made a concious choice to be a bigot", which I believe makes both comedy and nuance impossible, but at least they're honest about it.
- abritinthebay 8y ago
  Not at all. You appear to be trying to fit my words to your conclusion. I’m saying demonstratably bad positions will be called out as such. Doesn’t matter if they are or are from progressive people. So please stuff that strawman somewhere else.