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Yes. The Reddit thread was really interesting because some Irish commented, and they talked about how the Catholic hospitals and the Gardai (local police) work

by yebyen 8y ago

Yes. The Reddit thread was really interesting because some Irish commented, and they talked about how the Catholic hospitals and the Gardai (local police) worked together in this scheme. https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/8ppl72/15000_illegal_adoptions_in_ireland_mothers_told/ https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/8ppl72/15000_ill... If any of this is true, it's absolutely no wonder that Irish Catholicism is in severe decline. Sometimes the Catholic nuns would tell a young unwed mother she was unfit, and they would escape the hospital with their baby only to get home and find the nuns waiting for them with the Gardai, or they would show up later. In other cases they would simply show them a dead baby and ship the baby overseas to be sold in America. Some Spanish commenters came along and explained that the problem was even worse in Spain. One commenter seemed to be saying they didn't always go so far as overseas, as they met their sibling one day when they moved in next door as an adult. If the Reddit commenters are to be believed, then so is the terrible, barely informative article, I'm afraid.

candiodari 8y ago
You use the name "gardai" as if it is different from "police". This was mass-kidnapping of babies by the police, it's that simple. It was not a few catholic nuns in hospitals, as you yourself point out. They participated, but the police were the enforcers, which means hospitals, police, justice system were all involved. Needless to say, nobody is asking the obvious question. How can a police force that did this be trusted ? The justice system that directed them ? I mean sure you can blame catholicism, but what about the many state agencies organizing these mass-kidnappings, which included the police force, the state controlling them and the justice system itself ? But no worries. All will be checked. By whom you ask ? > The review of samples of records from other adoption societies will be conducted by Marion Reynolds, a former deputy director of social services in Northern Ireland, and will be completed within four months. By ... the person that used to be in charge of the adoption agencies ... Yeah. No problem here at all. I'm sure the guilty parties are about to be punished, no doubt. So we can pretty reliably say that the current state and justice system is still actively working to hide this (and then of course the question comes: why ? Are they still doing it ?)
- yebyen 8y ago
  > You use the name "gardai" as if it is different from "police" Indeed this is just the Irish word for police, and it is different in only one way that I'm aware of, that the Irish government has long been inextricably linked to the Catholic church. You absolutely can't blame one without the other, in every instance where they've shamed the nation, they almost certainly and universally acted in concert. I have no insider knowledge, my Irish heritage is several generations removed, I don't "trace my roots" back to any clan or keep contact with relatives, and I'm not able to become a citizen of Ireland by birthright, etc, so take anything I say with a grain of salt, I'm just as outside as you... (assuming) This is a terrible story, and I don't think you can explain it other than "the shame must be hidden away, at all costs." Everything I've heard from media sources that interviewed people who were victimized by the establishment and the church, not just in this case but in other cases where the church and government agents provided cover for large scale abuses... it's amazing to hear so many that are not the least bit interested in "justice" in the way of retribution or punishment for the offenders; many of them just want their story told, so they can have their true identities, and actually start the healing process.

by yebyen 8y ago

candiodari 8y ago

You use the name "gardai" as if it is different from "police". This was mass-kidnapping of babies by the police, it's that simple. It was not a few catholic nuns in hospitals, as you yourself point out. They participated, but the police were the enforcers, which means hospitals, police, justice system were all involved. Needless to say, nobody is asking the obvious question. How can a police force that did this be trusted ? The justice system that directed them ? I mean sure you can blame catholicism, but what about the many state agencies organizing these mass-kidnappings, which included the police force, the state controlling them and the justice system itself ? But no worries. All will be checked. By whom you ask ? > The review of samples of records from other adoption societies will be conducted by Marion Reynolds, a former deputy director of social services in Northern Ireland, and will be completed within four months. By ... the person that used to be in charge of the adoption agencies ... Yeah. No problem here at all. I'm sure the guilty parties are about to be punished, no doubt. So we can pretty reliably say that the current state and justice system is still actively working to hide this (and then of course the question comes: why ? Are they still doing it ?)

yebyen 8y ago
> You use the name "gardai" as if it is different from "police" Indeed this is just the Irish word for police, and it is different in only one way that I'm aware of, that the Irish government has long been inextricably linked to the Catholic church. You absolutely can't blame one without the other, in every instance where they've shamed the nation, they almost certainly and universally acted in concert. I have no insider knowledge, my Irish heritage is several generations removed, I don't "trace my roots" back to any clan or keep contact with relatives, and I'm not able to become a citizen of Ireland by birthright, etc, so take anything I say with a grain of salt, I'm just as outside as you... (assuming) This is a terrible story, and I don't think you can explain it other than "the shame must be hidden away, at all costs." Everything I've heard from media sources that interviewed people who were victimized by the establishment and the church, not just in this case but in other cases where the church and government agents provided cover for large scale abuses... it's amazing to hear so many that are not the least bit interested in "justice" in the way of retribution or punishment for the offenders; many of them just want their story told, so they can have their true identities, and actually start the healing process.