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Exactly. Christianity didn't invent "Treat others as you want to be treated" or "Everyone is worthwhile". People can subscribe to those beliefs without believin

Exactly. Christianity didn't invent "Treat others as you want to be treated" or "Everyone is worthwhile". People can subscribe to those beliefs without believing that Jesus was born of a virgin or died and was resurrected. If you believe in the former then Christianity is not necessarily a part of your life. If you also believe in the latter then it is.

humanrebar 8y ago
> Christianity didn't invent "Treat others as you want to be treated" or "Everyone is worthwhile". That's a theological claim. "Love your neighbor as yourself" is in Leviticus 19:18. In context, those are words spoken by God to His people. Presumably, at least in Judeo-Christian philosophy, God is the originator of that line of thinking. But, sure, the golden rule is a good idea. Who says it's unique to Christians? I don't see why Fred Rogers being a Christian and a teacher at the same time is the same as condemning non-Christians as amoral.
lomnakkus 8y ago
> "Treat others as you want to be treated" Just a random aside: If you think about it, this is kind of weird rule. Not everybody's into the same things. AFAICT it should be more like "Treat others as they want to be treated".
- Viliam1234 8y ago
  Both rules can go wrong in some situations. "Treat others as you want to be treated" fails when the other person prefers other things than you do. Like when your cat keeps bringing you the delicious dead mice. "Treat others as they want to be treated" fails when you believe that other people want something they actually don't (and which would be obvious if you would try imagining yourself in their shoes). For example if you believe that women or blacks actually want to be treated as inferior -- and they may even agree with you if they are brainwashed by the society to believe so. That is, you can go wrong both by ignoring existing differences, and by imagining nonexistent ones.
  - lomnakkus 8y ago
    True. However, it does seem the latter at least leaves room for "oh, crap, I was wrong" and generally less certainty simply because most reasonable people realize that they cannot know another's mind. Hopefully.
- elbear 8y ago
  When it comes to safety and affection we all pretty much want to be treated the same.
- scotty79 8y ago
  The actual meaning of the rule is "don't do to people, what you wouldn't want to be done to you".

humanrebar 8y ago

> Christianity didn't invent "Treat others as you want to be treated" or "Everyone is worthwhile". That's a theological claim. "Love your neighbor as yourself" is in Leviticus 19:18. In context, those are words spoken by God to His people. Presumably, at least in Judeo-Christian philosophy, God is the originator of that line of thinking. But, sure, the golden rule is a good idea. Who says it's unique to Christians? I don't see why Fred Rogers being a Christian and a teacher at the same time is the same as condemning non-Christians as amoral.

lomnakkus 8y ago

> "Treat others as you want to be treated" Just a random aside: If you think about it, this is kind of weird rule. Not everybody's into the same things. AFAICT it should be more like "Treat others as they want to be treated".

Viliam1234 8y ago
Both rules can go wrong in some situations. "Treat others as you want to be treated" fails when the other person prefers other things than you do. Like when your cat keeps bringing you the delicious dead mice. "Treat others as they want to be treated" fails when you believe that other people want something they actually don't (and which would be obvious if you would try imagining yourself in their shoes). For example if you believe that women or blacks actually want to be treated as inferior -- and they may even agree with you if they are brainwashed by the society to believe so. That is, you can go wrong both by ignoring existing differences, and by imagining nonexistent ones.
- lomnakkus 8y ago
  True. However, it does seem the latter at least leaves room for "oh, crap, I was wrong" and generally less certainty simply because most reasonable people realize that they cannot know another's mind. Hopefully.
elbear 8y ago
When it comes to safety and affection we all pretty much want to be treated the same.
scotty79 8y ago
The actual meaning of the rule is "don't do to people, what you wouldn't want to be done to you".