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> It's not zero. The numbers are pretty big Woah.. treatment resistance is nowhere near the same as being untreatable. It's an alarmingly huge leap to make, es

by mmt 8y ago

> It's not zero. The numbers are pretty big Woah.. treatment resistance is nowhere near the same as being untreatable. It's an alarmingly huge leap to make, especially since the definition kicks in after only two anti-depressants have failed. > minimizing human suffering is worthwhile; I agree.. > then the idea of forcing someone to live a life of pain bothers me But I still take issue with the seeming over-simplicity of this statement, as well as your original comment, because it (dangerously, in my opinion) brings the notion of euthanasia/suicide [1] into the dicussion merely because of some pain. If someone's life is going to be, essentially, nothing but pain, then, OK, I agree it's inhumane to force that someone to live, but that just hasn't been established. Meanwhile, philisophically, I'm uncomfortable with not pursuing all the other avenues of pain relief before resorting to death. [1] Assisted, unassisted, whatever.. I'm not categorically opposed, by any means.

rectang 8y ago
> nothing but pain That's an impossible threshold, so it's meaningless and you haven't conceded anything. This is like the abortion debate. There's no common ground.
- mmt 8y ago
  That's both an uncharitable reading and out of context. Like the original commenter, I'm feeling free to take some liberties with my language. However, to clarify, the threshold I was suggesting was of severe, unrelenting pain, as I alluded to in my previous comment. That's hardly impossible. > like the abortion debate This reference unnecessarily draw contentiousness into the discussion, contrary to the guidelines. > no common ground Demonstrably not the case, since I agree with rectang regarding suffering in general, and, I believe, regarding the right to die with dignity in the face of unavoidable suffering. I merely disagree with the nuance (or lack thereof) as applied to the situation of depression.
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rectang 8y ago

> nothing but pain That's an impossible threshold, so it's meaningless and you haven't conceded anything. This is like the abortion debate. There's no common ground.

mmt 8y ago
That's both an uncharitable reading and out of context. Like the original commenter, I'm feeling free to take some liberties with my language. However, to clarify, the threshold I was suggesting was of severe, unrelenting pain, as I alluded to in my previous comment. That's hardly impossible. > like the abortion debate This reference unnecessarily draw contentiousness into the discussion, contrary to the guidelines. > no common ground Demonstrably not the case, since I agree with rectang regarding suffering in general, and, I believe, regarding the right to die with dignity in the face of unavoidable suffering. I merely disagree with the nuance (or lack thereof) as applied to the situation of depression.
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