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Wow, this says the data sharing was after 2015. This directly contradicts Zuckerberg’s congressional testimony does it not? 5 days ago the magazine The Baffler

Wow, this says the data sharing was after 2015. This directly contradicts Zuckerberg’s congressional testimony does it not? 5 days ago the magazine The Baffler made the argument that Zuckerberg, at his core, is a nice guy. It’s just that he isn’t that intelligent. As the American Studies professor being interviewed says in the article: >“And he continues to use words like “community,” a word he does not understand in the least. This is what I mean when I say he’s uneducated. Because he keeps using terms like community, which are complex, fraught concepts, and he doesn’t stop to think what that means. He doesn’t stop to think about the dynamics of a community, the effects of a community, the limitations of a community, and even the very definition of a community. You know, if someone’s going to use community as the core goal of a multi-billion-dollar company, maybe a couple of days of reading would help.” https://thebaffler.com/latest/the-zuckerberg-follies-denison https://thebaffler.com/latest/the-zuckerberg-follies-denison

whatshisface 8y ago
As much as that American Studies professor might wish for PR groups to go to them for consulting, the word Community was meant to be received by people who are not American Studies professors (the public, maybe, and also Facebook employees if it's internal-speak). The warm fuzziness of the word choice has already been precisely calibrated. Zuckerberg's ideal press conference would be some brief tonal warbling that made everybody support Facebook. In lieu of that existing, he talks about community.
gowld 8y ago
The Baffler is a great name for a website that hosts thinkpieces written by people who have no idea what they are talking about.
- lostlogin 8y ago
  Have you got a rebuttal for that quotes section?
  - anotherDumpster 8y ago
    Oh, there's plenty to refute. Uneducated is plainly false. Not that smart is also clearly a non-starter. Willful misuse of the word community is different from blundering misuse. Like much of facebook's practice in the black art of dark patterns, malice is suspect well before the presumption of incompetence. No time for Hanlon's razor here. Emotional blackmail is deeply engrained into facebook's user interface, and serves as a driver of profits. So deeply pervasive this principle seems to be, that it would be unsurprising to find the infectious premise of such a persuasive tactic permeating Zuckerberg's general demeanor and subliminal mannerisms. Still I'd suspect that calculating organizational malice doesn't preclude an individual still mostly being a nice guy, but with an apparatus like facebook being as huge as it is, beyond any single human, it matters less whether one is simply "a nice guy" at all, but rather a nice guy at what level, and to whom? Does Mark Zuckerberg regard different types of strangers differently from one another? Which ones? When and why? How do strangers compare to employees, friends on a first name basis, or family members? Not all of these things are likely to be held in equal regard.
    - paganel 8y ago
      I was also taken aback by the author's insistence on Zuckerberg "not knowing the sense of the word community". Can't the author see that the majority of people nowadays have formed communities on Facebook? What does he/her expect, for us to go back to forming zadrugas? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zadruga https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zadruga)
joering2 8y ago
> It’s just that he isn’t that intelligent. I'm very sure he is NOT a "dumb fuck".
entrypoint0 8y ago
Zuckerberg willfully disregards meanings. It was very obvious in his speech during the testimony. If some members of congress could detect it, I heard no evidence. It is curious to me that sometimes the odd language format in facebook's help section are reminiscent of his disregard. I am no psychologist but I've seen this behavior in two or three other occasions. One case was a teenager, who was just playing but also using it for obfuscation to his advantage in arguments. I had to explicitly call him on it. I had reason to believe it stemmed from insecurity and him having to daily deal with people who were not intellectually on par or of his type.
elorant 8y ago
If Facebook isn't a community then I don't know what is. Whether we like it or not is irrelevant, but in my book it's the definition of a community. Aka, a place where people meet and interact. We could argue all day whether it is optimized to work as such, for example discussions in there are limited by the UI, but people go to FB to interact with their friends or meet new people. And calling Zuckerberg an idiot is laughable. The guy is obviously super smart. His problem is the total lack of ethics, either because he never had them, or because it's required when you have to run a multibillion behemoth.

whatshisface 8y ago

As much as that American Studies professor might wish for PR groups to go to them for consulting, the word Community was meant to be received by people who are not American Studies professors (the public, maybe, and also Facebook employees if it's internal-speak). The warm fuzziness of the word choice has already been precisely calibrated. Zuckerberg's ideal press conference would be some brief tonal warbling that made everybody support Facebook. In lieu of that existing, he talks about community.

gowld 8y ago

The Baffler is a great name for a website that hosts thinkpieces written by people who have no idea what they are talking about.

lostlogin 8y ago
Have you got a rebuttal for that quotes section?
- anotherDumpster 8y ago
  Oh, there's plenty to refute. Uneducated is plainly false. Not that smart is also clearly a non-starter. Willful misuse of the word community is different from blundering misuse. Like much of facebook's practice in the black art of dark patterns, malice is suspect well before the presumption of incompetence. No time for Hanlon's razor here. Emotional blackmail is deeply engrained into facebook's user interface, and serves as a driver of profits. So deeply pervasive this principle seems to be, that it would be unsurprising to find the infectious premise of such a persuasive tactic permeating Zuckerberg's general demeanor and subliminal mannerisms. Still I'd suspect that calculating organizational malice doesn't preclude an individual still mostly being a nice guy, but with an apparatus like facebook being as huge as it is, beyond any single human, it matters less whether one is simply "a nice guy" at all, but rather a nice guy at what level, and to whom? Does Mark Zuckerberg regard different types of strangers differently from one another? Which ones? When and why? How do strangers compare to employees, friends on a first name basis, or family members? Not all of these things are likely to be held in equal regard.
  - paganel 8y ago
    I was also taken aback by the author's insistence on Zuckerberg "not knowing the sense of the word community". Can't the author see that the majority of people nowadays have formed communities on Facebook? What does he/her expect, for us to go back to forming zadrugas? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zadruga https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zadruga)

joering2 8y ago

> It’s just that he isn’t that intelligent. I'm very sure he is NOT a "dumb fuck".

entrypoint0 8y ago

Zuckerberg willfully disregards meanings. It was very obvious in his speech during the testimony. If some members of congress could detect it, I heard no evidence. It is curious to me that sometimes the odd language format in facebook's help section are reminiscent of his disregard. I am no psychologist but I've seen this behavior in two or three other occasions. One case was a teenager, who was just playing but also using it for obfuscation to his advantage in arguments. I had to explicitly call him on it. I had reason to believe it stemmed from insecurity and him having to daily deal with people who were not intellectually on par or of his type.

elorant 8y ago

If Facebook isn't a community then I don't know what is. Whether we like it or not is irrelevant, but in my book it's the definition of a community. Aka, a place where people meet and interact. We could argue all day whether it is optimized to work as such, for example discussions in there are limited by the UI, but people go to FB to interact with their friends or meet new people. And calling Zuckerberg an idiot is laughable. The guy is obviously super smart. His problem is the total lack of ethics, either because he never had them, or because it's required when you have to run a multibillion behemoth.