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> invading a country to preemptively to remove a dictator is a moral action That is widely believed. For example, that's exactly what Obama and Hillary did in

> invading a country to preemptively to remove a dictator is a moral action That is widely believed. For example, that's exactly what Obama and Hillary did in Libya.

aero142 8y ago
And the current disastrous result is just as predictable and evil as Iraq. Maybe more-so because we have such a recent example of why it is such a bad idea.
- leereeves 8y ago
  Quite true. And yet there was immense pressure to do it, often from people who were vocal opponents of the Iraq war (notably the French government).
wahern 8y ago
Europe spearheaded the Libyan intervention. The U.S. came along for the ride, not because of some strongly held policy objective. The roles are usually reversed, but by 2011 Obama was already deeply skeptical of intervention. European powers have always had a keen interest in Libya, particularly Italy and France, and the U.K. was still pissed about Lockerbie. The U.S. wouldn't have gotten involved otherwise, no matter how much Hillary pressed. That doesn't excuse the U.S., but we shouldn't equivocate culpability.
- jessaustin 8y ago
  Sure, Bernard-Henri Levy deserves his share of the blame too. But how do BHL and 40K get on the same page about something like this? Do they stalk/roll around the same intellectual salons? No they don't. They do both, however, sing for their suppers. The masters had better like the song. The song sounded pretty good when DPRK pointed out what HRC's bayonet really meant. [0] The music buffs might be a bit nervous now, but few would be surprised if Trump gets a new high-pressure sales pitch that totally changes his mind before anything gets signed. [0] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/12090658/North-Korea-cites-Muammar-Gaddafis-destruction-in-nuclear-test-defence.html https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/1...

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> invading a country to preemptively to remove a dictator is a moral action That is widely believed. For example, that's exactly what Obama and Hillary did in

by leereeves 8y ago

> invading a country to preemptively to remove a dictator is a moral action That is widely believed. For example, that's exactly what Obama and Hillary did in Libya.

aero142 8y ago
And the current disastrous result is just as predictable and evil as Iraq. Maybe more-so because we have such a recent example of why it is such a bad idea.
- leereeves 8y ago
  Quite true. And yet there was immense pressure to do it, often from people who were vocal opponents of the Iraq war (notably the French government).
wahern 8y ago
Europe spearheaded the Libyan intervention. The U.S. came along for the ride, not because of some strongly held policy objective. The roles are usually reversed, but by 2011 Obama was already deeply skeptical of intervention. European powers have always had a keen interest in Libya, particularly Italy and France, and the U.K. was still pissed about Lockerbie. The U.S. wouldn't have gotten involved otherwise, no matter how much Hillary pressed. That doesn't excuse the U.S., but we shouldn't equivocate culpability.
- jessaustin 8y ago
  Sure, Bernard-Henri Levy deserves his share of the blame too. But how do BHL and 40K get on the same page about something like this? Do they stalk/roll around the same intellectual salons? No they don't. They do both, however, sing for their suppers. The masters had better like the song. The song sounded pretty good when DPRK pointed out what HRC's bayonet really meant. [0] The music buffs might be a bit nervous now, but few would be surprised if Trump gets a new high-pressure sales pitch that totally changes his mind before anything gets signed. [0] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/12090658/North-Korea-cites-Muammar-Gaddafis-destruction-in-nuclear-test-defence.html https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/1...