> but I don't think I'll ever end up using PHP since it still appears to be very easy to write bad code I was in the Java world for many years, and found it to

> but I don't think I'll ever end up using PHP since it still appears to be very easy to write bad code I was in the Java world for many years, and found it to be incredibly easy to write 'bad' code. Sure it looked OK, but whenever there was a problem... i would just have people telling me it was 'wrong' and 'bad', but rarely ever any 'good' way to do something, short of entirely rebuilding in someone else's preferred library/framework/stack. Loads of "well, that never happens to me", "works fine", etc. Was it tomcat? which version? was it one of the 95 dependencies interacting with tomcat in a way no one had ever hit? Oh shit - you're using tomcat? WTF? Glassfish/jetty/jboss are the only 'real' tools to use... etc.