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Disagree with most of the items here: - Charging/Ports: USB-c is excellent. Used to have two+ cables to connect power and dual monitors. Now its just a thunder

Disagree with most of the items here: - Charging/Ports: USB-c is excellent. Used to have two+ cables to connect power and dual monitors. Now its just a thunderbolt cable feeding to an elgato dock. I can also (albeit slowly) charge my laptop with a usb-c power bank when traveling. I've yet to find myself needing a dongle most of the time. Cameras these days have wifi to copy files off and wireless ac is fast enough to not need ethernet. The only time I bring one is when traveling and even then its low profile and half the time I forget its even in my backpack. - Keyboard: Okay this is fair. Gets really bad as the computer heats up, way more noticeable on normal Macbooks. - Trackpad: Yeah I don't get your criticism, I love having a large trackpad. - Touch Bar: I find it really useful and have it customized like crazy using better touch tool. Pretty nifty. I could live without it, but why? Love it. - MacOS: Not sure how this makes the MBP "decline" as all macs have had this for years. - Docker: Again not a MBP problem, complain to docker devs. Biggest problem the MBP have is lack of ram. They absolutely should have sacrificed battery life for the people that really wanted more than 16gb. I'm already hurting my battery life as it is with the radeon graphics card. Other thing I wish they'd change is round out the corners near the trackpad, they can be quite sharp sometimes.

mikkelam 8y ago
For the Docker issue I would disagree. If that's how the ecosystem looks on mac, it's a valid consideration against getting one if that is indeed where one spends the majority of ones time. For example I don't use linux because I need macOS to develop iOS apps. Should I just stop doing it and complain to apple? No of course not.
- dawnerd 8y ago
  The docker issue in question is just that, a docker issue. Recent versions have improved it greatly. I run some pretty large docker containers and it can be slow but not totally unbearable like a year ago.
Rebelgecko 8y ago
The port situation is just confusing for me. I'm getting a new Macbook Pro soon, and I have two 4k monitors. It seems like most docks don't support dual 4k monitors at 60hz, and there's weird and sometimes conflicting info online about what configurations actually work. For example, Apple's own USB-C <=> Thunderbolt 2 adapter will fit with my mini displayport cables but apparently won't actually work. Some things may also be dependent on which USB-C port is being used (the ones on the left have more bandwidth). I don't mind the move to USB-C (or Thunderbolt 3 I guess), I just wish the MBPs had at least 1 USB-A and maybe an HDMI port for a couple years while people start switching over
- dawnerd 8y ago
  Yeah man there's a lot of bad info about docks out there. Took me a while to find one that did dual 4k 60hz. I can confirm this one does work https://www.elgato.com/en/dock/thunderbolt-3 https://www.elgato.com/en/dock/thunderbolt-3 but theres an issue where macos wont detect the ethernet unless the ethernet itself is unplugged and plugged back in. Not sure if its a dock issue or the laptop but doesn't really affect me. It's also kind of silly apple hasn't released their own adapter for 4k 60hz displayport. Update: Just checked and ethernet connected just fine so perhaps it was patched recently.
greedo 8y ago
So having 2 cables is worse than 4 components? (Using a TB cable (1), a Dock (2) a power cable for the dock (3) and another cable to connect to your display (4))

mikkelam 8y ago

For the Docker issue I would disagree. If that's how the ecosystem looks on mac, it's a valid consideration against getting one if that is indeed where one spends the majority of ones time. For example I don't use linux because I need macOS to develop iOS apps. Should I just stop doing it and complain to apple? No of course not.

dawnerd 8y ago
The docker issue in question is just that, a docker issue. Recent versions have improved it greatly. I run some pretty large docker containers and it can be slow but not totally unbearable like a year ago.

Rebelgecko 8y ago

The port situation is just confusing for me. I'm getting a new Macbook Pro soon, and I have two 4k monitors. It seems like most docks don't support dual 4k monitors at 60hz, and there's weird and sometimes conflicting info online about what configurations actually work. For example, Apple's own USB-C <=> Thunderbolt 2 adapter will fit with my mini displayport cables but apparently won't actually work. Some things may also be dependent on which USB-C port is being used (the ones on the left have more bandwidth). I don't mind the move to USB-C (or Thunderbolt 3 I guess), I just wish the MBPs had at least 1 USB-A and maybe an HDMI port for a couple years while people start switching over

dawnerd 8y ago
Yeah man there's a lot of bad info about docks out there. Took me a while to find one that did dual 4k 60hz. I can confirm this one does work https://www.elgato.com/en/dock/thunderbolt-3 https://www.elgato.com/en/dock/thunderbolt-3 but theres an issue where macos wont detect the ethernet unless the ethernet itself is unplugged and plugged back in. Not sure if its a dock issue or the laptop but doesn't really affect me. It's also kind of silly apple hasn't released their own adapter for 4k 60hz displayport. Update: Just checked and ethernet connected just fine so perhaps it was patched recently.

greedo 8y ago

So having 2 cables is worse than 4 components? (Using a TB cable (1), a Dock (2) a power cable for the dock (3) and another cable to connect to your display (4))