> For instance if department leader's KPIs and bonus structure hasn't changed, they will continue to actively fight open source. They did change, and quite rad

> For instance if department leader's KPIs and bonus structure hasn't changed, they will continue to actively fight open source. They did change, and quite radically when Kevin Turner (then COO) was ousted (or voluntary left, it's unclear). > Also what happens to the devs who are there for 20+ years now Today, the biggest focus for Microsoft is Azure. And incidentally Azure grew enormously under Satya, so they had to hire a lot of new people there. A lot of them wouldn't even have considered joining MS under Ballmer, and a lot of them were hired specifically for there knowledge of non-MS technologies. Things might be different in older divisions, such as Windows, but at least in the division that now matter the most, the culture is dead-set on open source and the values that Satya promotes.