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In Amsterdam they already set the limit of allowed rental days per year to 30. Just last month the new city council announced they will completely forbid AirBnB

by tnolet 8y ago

In Amsterdam they already set the limit of allowed rental days per year to 30. Just last month the new city council announced they will completely forbid AirBnB in certain neighbourhoods. As someone who studied and worked most of his life in Amsterdam I welcome these measures a lot.

iandanforth 8y ago
Nimbyism at its best.
- Xylakant 8y ago
  We had an illegal AirBNB in our building in Berlin. Some guests were ill-behaved and partied all night. The person renting the flat was unavailable. You had no recourse short of calling the police. I’d be very much fine with a hotel or an old-fashioned BnB in the building where staff or a responsible person is available to take care of and discipline misbehaving guests. You can call that NIMBYism, but yeah, no unregulated hotel in my backyard.
  - Anderkent 8y ago
    So why not call the police?
    - Xylakant 8y ago
      It’s heavy handed and a hassle. And I shouldn’t have to deal with it. Simple as that. I’m also in the privileged position that I could, but for other people calling the police bears a significant risk of ending up on the receiving end of the police interaction. So, the onus of proactively dealing with this is on the person renting the flat to guests. And AirBnB fails miserably at that.
      - iandanforth 8y ago
        "I shouldn't have to deal with it." is the core of nimbyism.
        Xylakant 8y ago
        No, actually no. I should not have to deal with the totally avoidable negative externalities of you doing business is not nimbyism.
    - toasterlovin 8y ago
      Because the police can generally only do something at a threshold that is significantly more disruptive than your typical rowdy and obnoxious neighbor.
      - Anderkent 8y ago
        Not sure about that location, but around here they might not actually do anything the first time you call it in, but if it happens regularly they will talk to the landlord.
- rspeer 8y ago
  How do you figure? I'm a YIMBY and I think that AirBNB should absolutely be regulated. Regulating it properly will ease the insane price pressure at least a bit, and failing to regulate it just feeds into NIMBY arguments. I'm a YIMBY because people need homes where there are jobs, not because I think all problems are solved by the free market. A home is a fundamental human need. A hotel isn't.
- Sangermaine 8y ago
  You don't understand what NIMBY means, then.
- toasterlovin 8y ago
  I think it's important to draw a distinction between outsiders who do not have a long-term interest in how a city or community functions and residents who do have such a long-term interest. Outsiders have, in my opinion, no legitimate claim to being considered stakeholders in government regulations. Resident, however, do.
- rpearl 8y ago
  Usually nimbyism refers to residential property clashes: people who don't want more housing "in their backyard" because it blocks their view, don't want lower income housing because of worries about crime or property values, etc. It doesn't really refer to "I don't want to live next to an unregulated hotel"
  - fjsolwmv 8y ago
    Nimby means people who want to benefit from something, like a power plant or a garbage dump or the moral comfort of tolerating poor people, but want someone else to suffer the externalities. "Of course I support homeless camps, but Not In My Back Yard"
- ggm 8y ago
  A significant proportion of rental in Amsterdam is rent controlled. They have highly socialised housing policy. This is a huge upside benefit for renters, and treasured by renters. Its taken for granted that a long lease social housing option exists, including some inter-city mobility of your lease if you've been in the system long enough. A significant number of AirBnB and short lets are people who have a rent controlled home, live with their partner in their partners home, and rent their rent controlled home out for market price. This is rorting the system. Its distorting the system. Its exploiting the system. Dutch tax, the Amsterdam city hall, and their neighbours all wanted this to stop. Its not NIMBYism, its anti-social, tax-avoiding, law breaking and distorting the rental market. Disclaimer: I lived in Amsterdam for 6 months two years ago, and lived below a rental compliance person working in the private sector, policing long-lease breakages by tenants amongst other things. Much of this opinion was formed by talking to him about the problem.

by tnolet 8y ago

iandanforth 8y ago

Nimbyism at its best.

Xylakant 8y ago
We had an illegal AirBNB in our building in Berlin. Some guests were ill-behaved and partied all night. The person renting the flat was unavailable. You had no recourse short of calling the police. I’d be very much fine with a hotel or an old-fashioned BnB in the building where staff or a responsible person is available to take care of and discipline misbehaving guests. You can call that NIMBYism, but yeah, no unregulated hotel in my backyard.
- Anderkent 8y ago
  So why not call the police?
  - Xylakant 8y ago
    It’s heavy handed and a hassle. And I shouldn’t have to deal with it. Simple as that. I’m also in the privileged position that I could, but for other people calling the police bears a significant risk of ending up on the receiving end of the police interaction. So, the onus of proactively dealing with this is on the person renting the flat to guests. And AirBnB fails miserably at that.
    - iandanforth 8y ago
      "I shouldn't have to deal with it." is the core of nimbyism.
      - Xylakant 8y ago
        No, actually no. I should not have to deal with the totally avoidable negative externalities of you doing business is not nimbyism.
  - toasterlovin 8y ago
    Because the police can generally only do something at a threshold that is significantly more disruptive than your typical rowdy and obnoxious neighbor.
    - Anderkent 8y ago
      Not sure about that location, but around here they might not actually do anything the first time you call it in, but if it happens regularly they will talk to the landlord.
rspeer 8y ago
How do you figure? I'm a YIMBY and I think that AirBNB should absolutely be regulated. Regulating it properly will ease the insane price pressure at least a bit, and failing to regulate it just feeds into NIMBY arguments. I'm a YIMBY because people need homes where there are jobs, not because I think all problems are solved by the free market. A home is a fundamental human need. A hotel isn't.
Sangermaine 8y ago
You don't understand what NIMBY means, then.
toasterlovin 8y ago
I think it's important to draw a distinction between outsiders who do not have a long-term interest in how a city or community functions and residents who do have such a long-term interest. Outsiders have, in my opinion, no legitimate claim to being considered stakeholders in government regulations. Resident, however, do.
rpearl 8y ago
Usually nimbyism refers to residential property clashes: people who don't want more housing "in their backyard" because it blocks their view, don't want lower income housing because of worries about crime or property values, etc. It doesn't really refer to "I don't want to live next to an unregulated hotel"
- fjsolwmv 8y ago
  Nimby means people who want to benefit from something, like a power plant or a garbage dump or the moral comfort of tolerating poor people, but want someone else to suffer the externalities. "Of course I support homeless camps, but Not In My Back Yard"
ggm 8y ago
A significant proportion of rental in Amsterdam is rent controlled. They have highly socialised housing policy. This is a huge upside benefit for renters, and treasured by renters. Its taken for granted that a long lease social housing option exists, including some inter-city mobility of your lease if you've been in the system long enough. A significant number of AirBnB and short lets are people who have a rent controlled home, live with their partner in their partners home, and rent their rent controlled home out for market price. This is rorting the system. Its distorting the system. Its exploiting the system. Dutch tax, the Amsterdam city hall, and their neighbours all wanted this to stop. Its not NIMBYism, its anti-social, tax-avoiding, law breaking and distorting the rental market. Disclaimer: I lived in Amsterdam for 6 months two years ago, and lived below a rental compliance person working in the private sector, policing long-lease breakages by tenants amongst other things. Much of this opinion was formed by talking to him about the problem.