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Holy crap this thread is getting absurd. > Today's Microsoft sees the profitability that can some from Free labor of open source, but continues to be Hostile t

Holy crap this thread is getting absurd. > Today's Microsoft sees the profitability that can some from Free labor of open source, but continues to be Hostile to Free Software Microsoft donates more dev time to open source then they will EVER get out of their own use of it. But sure, let's pretend the multi-billion dollar company is spending billions upon billions on open source in order to save money. That makes SO much sense!

hashkb 8y ago
> Microsoft donates more dev time to open source then they will EVER get out of their own use of it. This can't be true, or they wouldn't be doing it. They put dollar signs on positive attention. Obviously.
syshum 8y ago
That is laughably and provably wrong. One primary example of them "donating" dev time is their Advancment of the Linux Kernal of which they have "become a top contributor" like the article says. Why did they do this? To make Linux a First Class citizen on Azure so they can take on AWS... they did not "donate" this work out of some ethical kindness or wanting to "give back to the community" they did it to make money on Azure. Every single one of the Open Source projects and initiatives can be traced to the same monetary reason, and largely traced to get Linux to work with some MS Commercial product of some kind, be is Azure or some other product.
- jhall1468 8y ago
  > Why did they do this? To make Linux a First Class citizen on Azure so they can take on AWS... they did not "donate" this work out of some ethical kindness or wanting to "give back to the community" they did it to make money on Azure. Are you as virulent towards people that donate their time for recognition or their resume? Nobody doesn't anything altruistically. Microsoft doesn't have to either. > Every single one of the Open Source projects and initiatives can be traced to the same monetary reason VS Code and open sourcing their closed source .NET modules? Those are about building trust in the dev community. They have no direct correlation with profit. And even if they did that's ok. > Azure or some other product. So?
  - syshum 8y ago
    >Nobody doesn't anything altruistically. Microsoft doesn't have to either. I nave claimed they did. That is the claim that was made, MS is "donating more time then they will ever get out" that was the claim That is factually incorrect. They are getting more value from the Dev time they are putting into open source projects thus it is incorrect to say they are "donating" it, nor are they "giving more than they are getting" which was the comment I was replying to, You can attempt to strawman and move the goal posts if you desire but it does not change reality

hashkb 8y ago

> Microsoft donates more dev time to open source then they will EVER get out of their own use of it. This can't be true, or they wouldn't be doing it. They put dollar signs on positive attention. Obviously.

syshum 8y ago

That is laughably and provably wrong. One primary example of them "donating" dev time is their Advancment of the Linux Kernal of which they have "become a top contributor" like the article says. Why did they do this? To make Linux a First Class citizen on Azure so they can take on AWS... they did not "donate" this work out of some ethical kindness or wanting to "give back to the community" they did it to make money on Azure. Every single one of the Open Source projects and initiatives can be traced to the same monetary reason, and largely traced to get Linux to work with some MS Commercial product of some kind, be is Azure or some other product.

jhall1468 8y ago
> Why did they do this? To make Linux a First Class citizen on Azure so they can take on AWS... they did not "donate" this work out of some ethical kindness or wanting to "give back to the community" they did it to make money on Azure. Are you as virulent towards people that donate their time for recognition or their resume? Nobody doesn't anything altruistically. Microsoft doesn't have to either. > Every single one of the Open Source projects and initiatives can be traced to the same monetary reason VS Code and open sourcing their closed source .NET modules? Those are about building trust in the dev community. They have no direct correlation with profit. And even if they did that's ok. > Azure or some other product. So?
- syshum 8y ago
  >Nobody doesn't anything altruistically. Microsoft doesn't have to either. I nave claimed they did. That is the claim that was made, MS is "donating more time then they will ever get out" that was the claim That is factually incorrect. They are getting more value from the Dev time they are putting into open source projects thus it is incorrect to say they are "donating" it, nor are they "giving more than they are getting" which was the comment I was replying to, You can attempt to strawman and move the goal posts if you desire but it does not change reality