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Everybody talks about the pipeline problem, it's just whatever specific stage of the pipeline you're at it's much easier to shunt responsibility down to an earl
by frgtpsswrdlame 8y ago
Everybody talks about the pipeline problem, it's just whatever specific stage of the pipeline you're at it's much easier to shunt responsibility down to an earlier stage.
Having problems hiring black tech workers? It's the college's fault.
Having problems graduating black students with BSs in STEM? It's the high school's fault.
Having problems graduating black students from high school? Really it's the fault of the community/family that raised them.
Having problems fixing the community's culture? Really it's the fault of poverty.
Having problems fixing poverty? Really it's the fact that no good jobs will hire us.
The answer is that everyone plays a role and that includes google. We all like to envision that we're not a part of the 'pipeline', we're exactly where it ends. It never ends, the pipe is your whole life and you never leave it. Seen that way, one pipe connecting to another and another and no one outside ever feeling that it's really their place to intervene is how we get oppression handed down through the generations. There is no 'root' cause because it's a circle, wherever you exist in this pipeline is where you have the power to help solve the problem so let's stop shunting blame down the line.
- sanxiyn 8y agoBlack-white education gap is trivially explained by black-white IQ gap. (If you don't believe in IQ, standardized test score gap, or whatever.) It's not school's fault. The most probable reason is genetics.
- frgtpsswrdlame 8y ago>The most probable reason is genetics. This isn't true.
- Const-me 8y agoThe most probable reason is income inequality + public education system mostly paid by local real estate taxes. This creates the chicken & egg problem where poor neighborhood causes bad education which causes poverty.
- sanxiyn 8y agoEducation has insignificant effect on IQ, so this can't be true.
- frgtpsswrdlame 8y agoActually education does have a significant effect on IQ. http://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/109/2/425.full.pdf http://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/109/2/425.full.pdf
- sanxiyn 8y agoYes, you can attain statistical significance with large sample (N > 100,000). No, it's still insignifcant, because effect size is so small. Did you read the article? The effect is less than 1 point of IQ, whereas black-white IQ gap is usually quoted as 15 points.
- frgtpsswrdlame 8y agoHmm? They find that one additional year of schooling increases IQ by 3.7 points. I'd say taking that figure with the difference in schools that blacks and whites in the US usually attend and you've got a plausible answer that the IQ gap is created through environmental differences.
- jfnixon 8y agoI think the PISA tests disprove your hypothesis.
- dragonwriter 8y ago> Black-white education gap is trivially explained by black-white IQ gap. [...] The most probable reason is genetics. Even if that were true for one gender (and it's not), it wouldn't be true for the other unless there is also a recent and accelerating, genetically-determined, IQ gap between black men and black women.
- pwinnski 8y agoNasty nonsense. Flies in the face of both evidence and reason.