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> when really we as a national don't honestly want to see marginalized groups succeed How does that explain the success of Asian Americans?

protonimitate 8y ago
I think that depends on how you measure success. Strictly in business terms, sure they have more success than other groups, but I don't think (assuming here, no facts) they have over taken White people as the predominant group in leadership roles, high paying positions, or otherwise 'stakeholders'. If that's not true, feel free to correct.
- ardent_uno 8y ago
  On average they do better than whites financially. So basically on average their quality of life is better.
- todd8 8y ago
  See [1] and [2]. For example, 2015 median household income for Indian Asians is $100K while the same statistic for white non-hispanics appears to be $63K. [1] http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/fact-sheet/asian-americans-indians-in-the-u-s/ http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/fact-sheet/asian-americans-in... [2] https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/demo/visualizations/p60/256/figure1.pdf https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/demo/visualizations...
  - dahdum 8y ago
    They also have much lower crime rates, much higher entrepreneurship, and higher educational attainment. Skilled immigration is awesome for the US.
    - alphabettsy 8y ago
      This tends to be true for all recent immigrants, 1st and 2nd generation immigrants have much higher acheivement.
- noetic_techy 8y ago
  I think the other comments here point to the fact that this systemic racism argument doesn't hold up well against actual studies and data. It's an ill defined spectre that vanishes when you look closely. > over taken White people as the predominant group in leadership roles, high paying positions, or otherwise 'stakeholders' Is that the bar here? Median household income has always been the bar when talking about the success of racial groups, not the number in leadership roles etc etc. I mean, are we only supposed to be satisfied when 4.8% of all leadership roles are held by Asian Americans? What about their cultural preferences? What about regional populations? The truth is actual a lot more nuanced. It essentially boils down to a cultural and pipeline problem: The study: http://www.equality-of-opportunity.org/assets/documents/race_summary.pdf http://www.equality-of-opportunity.org/assets/documents/race... The liberal viewpoint: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/19/upshot/race-class-white-and-black-men.html?smid=fb-share&mtrref=undefined https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/19/upshot/race-c... The conservative viewpoint: https://www.dailywire.com/news/28473/nyt-claims-groundbreaking-new-study-shows-ben-shapiro https://www.dailywire.com/news/28473/nyt-claims-groundbreaki... The counter arguments logic is hard to ignore. The answer is probably somewhere in the middle.

protonimitate 8y ago

I think that depends on how you measure success. Strictly in business terms, sure they have more success than other groups, but I don't think (assuming here, no facts) they have over taken White people as the predominant group in leadership roles, high paying positions, or otherwise 'stakeholders'. If that's not true, feel free to correct.

ardent_uno 8y ago
On average they do better than whites financially. So basically on average their quality of life is better.
todd8 8y ago
See [1] and [2]. For example, 2015 median household income for Indian Asians is $100K while the same statistic for white non-hispanics appears to be $63K. [1] http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/fact-sheet/asian-americans-indians-in-the-u-s/ http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/fact-sheet/asian-americans-in... [2] https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/demo/visualizations/p60/256/figure1.pdf https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/demo/visualizations...
- dahdum 8y ago
  They also have much lower crime rates, much higher entrepreneurship, and higher educational attainment. Skilled immigration is awesome for the US.
  - alphabettsy 8y ago
    This tends to be true for all recent immigrants, 1st and 2nd generation immigrants have much higher acheivement.
noetic_techy 8y ago
I think the other comments here point to the fact that this systemic racism argument doesn't hold up well against actual studies and data. It's an ill defined spectre that vanishes when you look closely. > over taken White people as the predominant group in leadership roles, high paying positions, or otherwise 'stakeholders' Is that the bar here? Median household income has always been the bar when talking about the success of racial groups, not the number in leadership roles etc etc. I mean, are we only supposed to be satisfied when 4.8% of all leadership roles are held by Asian Americans? What about their cultural preferences? What about regional populations? The truth is actual a lot more nuanced. It essentially boils down to a cultural and pipeline problem: The study: http://www.equality-of-opportunity.org/assets/documents/race_summary.pdf http://www.equality-of-opportunity.org/assets/documents/race... The liberal viewpoint: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/19/upshot/race-class-white-and-black-men.html?smid=fb-share&mtrref=undefined https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/19/upshot/race-c... The conservative viewpoint: https://www.dailywire.com/news/28473/nyt-claims-groundbreaking-new-study-shows-ben-shapiro https://www.dailywire.com/news/28473/nyt-claims-groundbreaki... The counter arguments logic is hard to ignore. The answer is probably somewhere in the middle.