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In the very limited definition of war that is taking territory from another country (which that country then looses), and where the deaths of soldiers and destr
by mseebach 8y ago
In the very limited definition of war that is taking territory from another country (which that country then looses), and where the deaths of soldiers and destruction of property can be discounted, war can be considered zero-sum. But obviously that was never true, and the regimes that pretended is was true don't really exist in the west anymore since around WWI -- war (in this "classic" sense) is massively negative-sum.
Having a military as a means to fight wars could then also be understood as negative-sum -- but having a military as a means to not fight a war (deterrence) can be considered positive-sum. It certainly ain't zero-sum.
Graeber seems to have a rather naive view of "goons". Yes, it would be nice if there was no need for military (or police, or security guards etc), and you can imagine a world where this is the case, and that world is certainly massively desirable. But until we do bring about that world, "goons" do serve a practical purpose.
- humanrebar 8y agoThe U.S. also uses military for purely positive things: DARPAnet, aeronautics research, trauma care research, Army Corps of Engineers, policing in crises, serving after natural disasters, etc. Whether those things combined with the negatives all add up to a net positive is another question, but the point is modelling military size and spending as a game of Risk is too simple.
- Bakary 8y agoI think his view of goons is tailored to address the psychological burden of performing such a job. A goon might suffer from being aware of the nature of his existence, even if the promise of a utopian world is still too far away to bother thinking about now.