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This comparison just sold me on how morally wrong it is what Tesla is doing. Intentionally misleading and marketing to customers a feature called Autopilot that

This comparison just sold me on how morally wrong it is what Tesla is doing. Intentionally misleading and marketing to customers a feature called Autopilot that is only a marginal improvement on what other cars already offer. What if Volvo started calling their (clearly not independent) feature Autopilot and saying it was the future of hands-free driving? Seems inexcusable.

slg 8y ago
Which is also exactly what GM is doing with Super Cruise. Here is just one of their commercials. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u__51kTl4j8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u__51kTl4j8 Despite this warning in the manual[1]: >Super Cruise is not a crash avoidance system and will not steer or brake to avoid a crash. Super Cruise does not steer to prevent a crash with stopped or slow-moving vehicles. You must supervise the driving task and may need to steer and brake to prevent a crash, especially in stop-and-go traffic or when a vehicle suddenly enters your lane. Always pay attention when using Super Cruise. Failure to do so could result in a crash involving serious injury or death. [1] - https://www.cadillac.com/content/dam/cadillac/na/us/english/index/ownership/technology/supercruise/pdfs/2018-cad-ct6-owners-manual.pdf https://www.cadillac.com/content/dam/cadillac/na/us/english/...
- TeMPOraL 8y ago
  Riffing off the parallel thread about Google AI and how "corporations are controlled by humans" and can have moral values - no, corporations are controlled primarily by the market forces. When Tesla started branding line assist as autopilot, it put market pressure on others to follow suit. Hence, I'm absolutely not surprised about this ad and the associated warning in the manual.
  - darkerside 8y ago
    TBF, corporations are controlled by humans and overwhelmingly influenced by market forces, which are also controlled by (other) humans. That's a nitpick. Your broader point about Tesla pressuring the market down an unfortunate path is spot on.
  - omgwtfbyobbq 8y ago
    That branding started a long time before Tesla was ever around. http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/static/NA/Chrysler_and_Imperial/1958_Chrysler/1958_Chrysler_Auto-Pilot_Brochure/1958%20Chrysler%20Auto-Pilot%20Brochure-01.html http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/static/NA/Chrysler_and_Imperi... Ideally, yeah, every manufacturer would have to take all the puffery out of their marketing, or better yet, talk about all the negatives of their product/service first, but I doubt I'll ever see that.
- darkerside 8y ago
  https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/06/why-emergency-braking-systems-sometimes-hit-parked-cars-and-lane-dividers/ https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/06/why-emergency-braking-s... This article portrayed Super Cruise as something qualitatively different, based on the maps of existing roadways. I'm not sure if they've also considered integrating the multiple systems involved in driver assistance. I'm curious if Tesla has either for that matter.
thinkmassive 8y ago
I’m opposed to over-regulation of any sort, however it seems obvious that vehicle manufacturers need to do a better job informing consumers of the driver assistance capabilities of modern vehicles. Something similar to the health warnings on cigarette packs.

slg 8y ago

Which is also exactly what GM is doing with Super Cruise. Here is just one of their commercials. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u__51kTl4j8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u__51kTl4j8 Despite this warning in the manual[1]: >Super Cruise is not a crash avoidance system and will not steer or brake to avoid a crash. Super Cruise does not steer to prevent a crash with stopped or slow-moving vehicles. You must supervise the driving task and may need to steer and brake to prevent a crash, especially in stop-and-go traffic or when a vehicle suddenly enters your lane. Always pay attention when using Super Cruise. Failure to do so could result in a crash involving serious injury or death. [1] - https://www.cadillac.com/content/dam/cadillac/na/us/english/index/ownership/technology/supercruise/pdfs/2018-cad-ct6-owners-manual.pdf https://www.cadillac.com/content/dam/cadillac/na/us/english/...

TeMPOraL 8y ago
Riffing off the parallel thread about Google AI and how "corporations are controlled by humans" and can have moral values - no, corporations are controlled primarily by the market forces. When Tesla started branding line assist as autopilot, it put market pressure on others to follow suit. Hence, I'm absolutely not surprised about this ad and the associated warning in the manual.
- darkerside 8y ago
  TBF, corporations are controlled by humans and overwhelmingly influenced by market forces, which are also controlled by (other) humans. That's a nitpick. Your broader point about Tesla pressuring the market down an unfortunate path is spot on.
- omgwtfbyobbq 8y ago
  That branding started a long time before Tesla was ever around. http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/static/NA/Chrysler_and_Imperial/1958_Chrysler/1958_Chrysler_Auto-Pilot_Brochure/1958%20Chrysler%20Auto-Pilot%20Brochure-01.html http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/static/NA/Chrysler_and_Imperi... Ideally, yeah, every manufacturer would have to take all the puffery out of their marketing, or better yet, talk about all the negatives of their product/service first, but I doubt I'll ever see that.
darkerside 8y ago
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/06/why-emergency-braking-systems-sometimes-hit-parked-cars-and-lane-dividers/ https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/06/why-emergency-braking-s... This article portrayed Super Cruise as something qualitatively different, based on the maps of existing roadways. I'm not sure if they've also considered integrating the multiple systems involved in driver assistance. I'm curious if Tesla has either for that matter.

thinkmassive 8y ago

I’m opposed to over-regulation of any sort, however it seems obvious that vehicle manufacturers need to do a better job informing consumers of the driver assistance capabilities of modern vehicles. Something similar to the health warnings on cigarette packs.