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>>I said - "Engineers working for product companies where they get paid and recognised for good product instead of outsourcing companies show true passion and c

by kamaal 8y ago

>>I said - "Engineers working for product companies where they get paid and recognised for good product instead of outsourcing companies show true passion and creativity." How does this change in a service company? Programmers who write code in a service company show none of these traits, same programmer writes code in a product company and magically becomes passionate and creative. >>In this case, it was a Word doc with variable names(not variable naming conventions), loop variables, and pretty much the entire code within quotes. That is what I was pissed about. The doc screamed - "I don't want you to think, just be a monkey and do this." This is how CMM levels worked. You'd also be interested in looking at the engineering practices at NASA. >>So, you call going to another country for studies "Passport tourism"? .... None of this wrong. But you wrote you served notice and moved as soon as you saw the requirements doc, and how that killed your creativity.

pwneduser 8y ago
"How does this change in a service company?" You need to work for a good product company to understand that. From your other comments, clearly you work for a non-FANG, perhaps for a services company or another non-services company that do not seem to have the kind of work and expertise Google or Amazon has. You are also too biased to be completely blind to the possibility that must be some factors other than money because of which so many people want to work for the big product companies even though they are not the highest payers anymore. No amount of answering your questions is going to convince you how services companies and product companies are world apart unless you have seen both sides. And by product companies I don't mean companies like Cisco or Juniper (although they are technically) but they are now like dinosaurs moving slowly and are only marginally better than the services company. I mean the types of Amazon or Facebook or Google or LinkedIn in their India offices or the types of Directi or Flipkart (now Walmart Labs -- another great workplace) or Ola. Any responses to you in this thread seems futile because you come with a very negative outlook about other companies and you are not ready to look back and question your assumptions. Sorry, not everyone shares this pessimistic view and try to understand many of us have enjoy very productive and happy careers in these big product companies that you seem to believe are no better than the services company.
- kamaal 8y ago
  And no amount of writing going to convince you that a programmers job at cognizant is better than being sysadmin at Google.

by kamaal 8y ago

pwneduser 8y ago

"How does this change in a service company?" You need to work for a good product company to understand that. From your other comments, clearly you work for a non-FANG, perhaps for a services company or another non-services company that do not seem to have the kind of work and expertise Google or Amazon has. You are also too biased to be completely blind to the possibility that must be some factors other than money because of which so many people want to work for the big product companies even though they are not the highest payers anymore. No amount of answering your questions is going to convince you how services companies and product companies are world apart unless you have seen both sides. And by product companies I don't mean companies like Cisco or Juniper (although they are technically) but they are now like dinosaurs moving slowly and are only marginally better than the services company. I mean the types of Amazon or Facebook or Google or LinkedIn in their India offices or the types of Directi or Flipkart (now Walmart Labs -- another great workplace) or Ola. Any responses to you in this thread seems futile because you come with a very negative outlook about other companies and you are not ready to look back and question your assumptions. Sorry, not everyone shares this pessimistic view and try to understand many of us have enjoy very productive and happy careers in these big product companies that you seem to believe are no better than the services company.

kamaal 8y ago
And no amount of writing going to convince you that a programmers job at cognizant is better than being sysadmin at Google.