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Why would your default stance be to believe a company over a leaker? The company has millions to gain from the contract and hasn’t shown morals on this issue.

Why would your default stance be to believe a company over a leaker? The company has millions to gain from the contract and hasn’t shown morals on this issue. The leaker has so much to lose by releasing the documents, everything from their career to a significant portion of their life. You could call that incentive to deceive, but I call it incentive to be just about their leak. Especially when it’d be so easy for the company to leak counter examples showing moral consideration if they did...

killjoywashere 8y ago
> Why would your default stance be to believe a company over a leaker? Because Sundar Pichai has a strong public track record. Every CEO ends up with warts, but I have some sense of what he's about. The leaker, I have zero information on. Given known vs unknown, I put more faith in the known. Whether I by default believe or disbelieve depends on who's saying what.
- ocdtrekkie 8y ago
  Many of the Googlers involved in the campaign against Project Maven are engineers of high caliber and those I know of are fairly activist in general. While I haven't always agreed with those I've interacted with, they're high quality people with high quality records. The sort of Googlers protesting Maven are the sort of Googlers who made Google the sort of company people loved. And they've put their careers on the line to make a statement about what is and isn't okay. Sundar Pichai's claim to fame was getting the Google Toolbar installer (and later the Chrome one) injected into the Adobe Reader installer. [0] [0] https://www.quora.com/What-did-Sundar-Pichai-do-that-his-peers-didnt-to-get-promoted-through-the-ranks-from-an-entry-level-PM-to-CEO-of-Google https://www.quora.com/What-did-Sundar-Pichai-do-that-his-pee...
  - 49bc 8y ago
    > Microsoft didn't even ask their customers for permission. They just automatically switched anyone who installed IE7 to Bing as the default. Don’t worry everyone it’s different now!
  - plankers 8y ago
    I don't know how accurate it is to say that these engineers have put their careers on the line. It could also be that they wouldn't be able to make these statements were they not secure enough in their jobs to feel their careers wouldn't be on the line.
    - ocdtrekkie 8y ago
      While they definitely have above average incomes and probably some good financial security, there's a Damore factor risk: Public attention could render them unhireable if they come off as troublesome or likely to cause issues with future employers.
ehsankia 8y ago
I don't think they're believing anyone over anyone, but rather entering the discussion with a fair amount of skepticism. The point is that in any discussion, both sides have biases, and you need to take both sides into consideration to get a fuller picture.

killjoywashere 8y ago

> Why would your default stance be to believe a company over a leaker? Because Sundar Pichai has a strong public track record. Every CEO ends up with warts, but I have some sense of what he's about. The leaker, I have zero information on. Given known vs unknown, I put more faith in the known. Whether I by default believe or disbelieve depends on who's saying what.

ocdtrekkie 8y ago
Many of the Googlers involved in the campaign against Project Maven are engineers of high caliber and those I know of are fairly activist in general. While I haven't always agreed with those I've interacted with, they're high quality people with high quality records. The sort of Googlers protesting Maven are the sort of Googlers who made Google the sort of company people loved. And they've put their careers on the line to make a statement about what is and isn't okay. Sundar Pichai's claim to fame was getting the Google Toolbar installer (and later the Chrome one) injected into the Adobe Reader installer. [0] [0] https://www.quora.com/What-did-Sundar-Pichai-do-that-his-peers-didnt-to-get-promoted-through-the-ranks-from-an-entry-level-PM-to-CEO-of-Google https://www.quora.com/What-did-Sundar-Pichai-do-that-his-pee...
- 49bc 8y ago
  > Microsoft didn't even ask their customers for permission. They just automatically switched anyone who installed IE7 to Bing as the default. Don’t worry everyone it’s different now!
- plankers 8y ago
  I don't know how accurate it is to say that these engineers have put their careers on the line. It could also be that they wouldn't be able to make these statements were they not secure enough in their jobs to feel their careers wouldn't be on the line.
  - ocdtrekkie 8y ago
    While they definitely have above average incomes and probably some good financial security, there's a Damore factor risk: Public attention could render them unhireable if they come off as troublesome or likely to cause issues with future employers.

ehsankia 8y ago

I don't think they're believing anyone over anyone, but rather entering the discussion with a fair amount of skepticism. The point is that in any discussion, both sides have biases, and you need to take both sides into consideration to get a fuller picture.