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I feel like the PIA guy is providing a lot of sources for his position. I feel like the counter arguments aren't providing anything, but words.

gruesome 8y ago
I checked out the provided links. It is weird. Even if it were a wrong conclusion, it seems fishy.
- krn 8y ago
  What PIA co-founder proofed in this thread so far: - ProtonVPN UAB lists Tesonet's CEO as a director - ProtonVPN UAB is operated from Tesonet HQ in Vilnius, Lithuania - ProtonVPN UAB uses previous Tesonet's technical employees - ProtonVPN uses IP address blocks that belong to Tesonet - ProtonVPN mobile app is signed by Tesonet It seems, that ProtonVPN is a free VPN service by a data mining company from Lithuania.
  - protonmail 7y ago
    ProtonMail team here. None of the above is correct. ProtonVPN is developed, operated and 100% owned by Proton Technologies AG, the Swiss company that also operates ProtonMail. This can be verified in the Swiss commercial registry, which also lists all our directors: http://ge.ch/hrcintapp/externalCompanyReport.action?companyOfrcId13=CH-660-1995014-1&ofrcLanguage=4 http://ge.ch/hrcintapp/externalCompanyReport.action?companyO... Proton has also been thoroughly audited/vetted by third parties, including Mozilla: https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2018/10/22/testing-new-ways-to-keep-you-safe-online/ https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2018/10/22/testing-n... and also the European Commission which partially funds Proton: https://protonmail.com/blog/eu-funding/ https://protonmail.com/blog/eu-funding/ Any data mining claims are categorically false, and doing data mining would also subject us to fines of 20 million Euros as discussed here: https://protonvpn.com/blog/is-protonvpn-trustworthy/ https://protonvpn.com/blog/is-protonvpn-trustworthy/
  - gruesome 8y ago
    That is what I mean. It looks like these things are facts and combined it doesn't look good.

gruesome 8y ago

I checked out the provided links. It is weird. Even if it were a wrong conclusion, it seems fishy.

krn 8y ago
What PIA co-founder proofed in this thread so far: - ProtonVPN UAB lists Tesonet's CEO as a director - ProtonVPN UAB is operated from Tesonet HQ in Vilnius, Lithuania - ProtonVPN UAB uses previous Tesonet's technical employees - ProtonVPN uses IP address blocks that belong to Tesonet - ProtonVPN mobile app is signed by Tesonet It seems, that ProtonVPN is a free VPN service by a data mining company from Lithuania.
- protonmail 7y ago
  ProtonMail team here. None of the above is correct. ProtonVPN is developed, operated and 100% owned by Proton Technologies AG, the Swiss company that also operates ProtonMail. This can be verified in the Swiss commercial registry, which also lists all our directors: http://ge.ch/hrcintapp/externalCompanyReport.action?companyOfrcId13=CH-660-1995014-1&ofrcLanguage=4 http://ge.ch/hrcintapp/externalCompanyReport.action?companyO... Proton has also been thoroughly audited/vetted by third parties, including Mozilla: https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2018/10/22/testing-new-ways-to-keep-you-safe-online/ https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2018/10/22/testing-n... and also the European Commission which partially funds Proton: https://protonmail.com/blog/eu-funding/ https://protonmail.com/blog/eu-funding/ Any data mining claims are categorically false, and doing data mining would also subject us to fines of 20 million Euros as discussed here: https://protonvpn.com/blog/is-protonvpn-trustworthy/ https://protonvpn.com/blog/is-protonvpn-trustworthy/
- gruesome 8y ago
  That is what I mean. It looks like these things are facts and combined it doesn't look good.