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The accelerationism of the world is really taking it's toll. I feel like the political and economical system is, idk, a result of over-application of certain te
by adamnemecek 8y ago
The accelerationism of the world is really taking it's toll. I feel like the political and economical system is, idk, a result of over-application of certain tenets that might have been justified in the past but are increasingly less valid but certain forces are clinging to them because these tenets are all they have.
It's not just the US, the world feels like such a blur. Very important and fucked up things are happening multiple times daily. Things that don't affect me but a lot of times actually really do. Some thousand year old struggles seem to be getting kicked into the internet age and as a result the whole world is getting involved in local conflicts and is forced to take sides.
I legit feel as if some sort of new conception of government, nations, states, rights, is really needed. I don't know what but I'm all ears.
- stnmtn 8y agoTry reading Capitalist Realism by Mark Fisher, from what you just said it sounds like you might really like it. He covers a lot of the themes you're talking about in a really approachable way As for what other conception of states can exist, socialism is pretty cool I think
- babkayaga 8y agoSocialism might seem pretty cool for someone willing to ignore the last 100 years of humanity's experience with it.
- TooBrokeToBeg 8y agoSocialism doesn't have to be more than a principle. In fact, every capitalistic system has it in some form. So I think your point is dully contrarian.
- munk-a 8y agoSorry, are you referring to the dictatorial planned economies of the soviet union?
- castlecrasher2 8y ago> Sorry, are you referring to the Not True Socialism?
- some_account 8y agoSocialism together with some capitalism is really the way to go. Having one of them totally uncontrolled to an extreme level is what leads to problems.
- Mirioron 8y agoJust look at the outlook people had in the Soviet era. It's really not that better than what capitalism gives you.
- some_account 8y agoNo. Look at Sweden instead.
- Mirioron 8y agoBut Sweden is completely capitalist?
- tpush 8y ago... which is why he said he prefers a mix of both, instead of either extreme.
- adamnemecek 8y agoOk, here's my impassionate take on Marxism (I know Marxism != socialism). The fundamental tenet of socialism is the idea of dialectical materialism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectical_materialism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectical_materialism) which basically states that there are two forces engaged in an endless struggle and future state is a result of synthesis of these two. There's a close relationship between say Engel's dialectics and something like linear logic. However, Engel's third "The law of the negation of the negation" is fundamentally flawed. You provably can't have both adversarial relationships and still allow double negation.
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- Mirioron 8y agoI think a lot of it has to do with law and education. People in a bad situation hundreds or thousands of years ago were probably far more inclined to use violence to improve their lives. Banditry and similar were far more common. Combine this idea with less awareness of abstract ideas and dealing mostly with concrete things probably meant that people were less worried about larger concepts such as their life as a whole and were more worried about tomorrow or today. You're probably less likely to fall into negative thought patterns that way. The other thing is that people back then weren't wealthy enough to not be constantly working. Becoming depressed and lethargic would probably mean starving in winter. So the people that did become this way probably died off for hundreds of years.
- adamnemecek 8y agoHere's the thing, I feel like humanity is having a hard time scaling the global society. I know that this is a ridiculous statement but the political (and analogously server) infrastructure needed to handle xyz citizens/users can be completely different for 100 users and for 1000000 users.
- ams6110 8y ago> the world feels like such a blur Get off of social media and twitter. Stop watching/reading the news every day. If you want to keep up with current events, read a politically neutral monthly periodical. I grew up in the 70's and 80's. Every generation looks back on its youth as "the good old days" but things really were much less stressful then and the main difference I see is that you were not connected to a firehose of real-time updates on everything.
- adamnemecek 8y agoI'm not on social media. It's more like, idk, what you deal with living in modern society. And it doesn't matter if you are connected or not if everyone else around you is. If there's a Twitter organized revolution happening around you, ignoring it might be harmful. At no point was I reminiscing about good old days, and my argument is actually very orthogonal to that statement.
- dwaltrip 8y ago> If there's a Twitter organized revolution happening around you If this actually happens, you won't need to be on Twitter to find out about it.
- adamnemecek 8y agoAt that point it will be too late to prevent it tho.
- ryandrake 8y agoYou’re going to prevent a Twitter-organized revolution by... being on Twitter?
- adamnemecek 8y agoNot prevent, runaway from it.
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- Balgair 8y ago> I legit feel as if some sort of new conception of government, nations, states, rights, is really needed. I don't know what but I'm all ears. I think it's 'natural' that we need new social-tech. Taking an incredibly coarse view of history: Hunter-gather > agriculture > industrial > today (bio_genetic-digital-AI-climate_change). At each stage we had new social structures form, why should today be any different? If anything, this fill me with hope and wonder. I've no idea what the new stage is going to look like, but I know that I am going to see it. That's really cool. Hell, I'm privileged enough to maybe have a hand in making the new paradigm. Again, I feel really lucky.
- selestify 8y agoOther than the formation of city states and nation states after the rise of agriculture, what new social structures formed with each technological revolution?