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Unless there is an /increase/ in how much people are being told something analogous/similar to that, I'm not sure how that would explain an /increase/ in the ra

by drdeca 8y ago

Unless there is an /increase/ in how much people are being told something analogous/similar to that, I'm not sure how that would explain an /increase/ in the rate. Is there a reason you would expect the harm from things of that sort to have increased as of late?

lainga 8y ago
Crybullying against $insertGroupYouDon'tLike has gained popularity over the past decade, at the very least from "not a concept" to extant.
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DuskStar 8y ago
I don't think it would be controversial to say that the amount of people saying that to/about white males has gone up recently.
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- drdeca 8y ago
  Ah, I probably misinterpreted the group they were talking about. Most of the time I hear people claim that someone else objects to someone's "existence", the person is claiming that people are objecting to the "existence" of homosexual or bisexual or transgender persons. So, with there seeming to be a correlation with red states, I thought maybe the comment was saying "That is because there are a bunch of hateful ___phobes in the red states grrr!" However, I probably should have picked up on the part of the comment that talked about the unchangable property being treated as "violence", and realized that that likely implied that the group imagined to be saying the quote was likely, uh, the group that tends to define "violence" in weird ways to include things that they believe are bad in general. I suppose my first interpretation of the comment also didn't fit particularly well with the increase in the rate being primarily among persons who are (considered) white.
ars 8y ago
Are you kidding? Social pressure to make people feel worthless if you don't toe the line on liberal issues has absolutely skyrocketed.
- drdeca 8y ago
  I don't think one's political positions/expressions are really a fundamental and immutable part of what one is in the way described by the comment. Unless you mean that the attempts to make people feel worthless are done on the basis of immutable things, but are done in response to "not towing the line"?
  - ars 8y ago
    > Unless you mean that the attempts to make people feel worthless are done on the basis of immutable things Yes, I do mean that. If you are white or a male you are told to "check your privilege", and that you "are not allowed to speak about issues". (Is a white male allowed to have an opinion about abortion? Ask yourself what you think, and ask others as well, and that will help you understand.) Go watch some campus talks and see how bad it gets. Or just read this: https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/24/politics/march-for-our-lives-students-checking-privilege-trnd/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/24/politics/march-for-our-lives-... Notice the narrative that the white students don't matter unless they deprecate themself? It's framed in an inclusive way of course ("they include others"), but the subtext is quite obvious. And that's a CNN article, the real world is much worse. The pendulum is swinging, and instead of making everyone important, now those who were marginalized before are gaining status by marginalizing others.
    - pjc50 8y ago
      > https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/24/politics/march-for-our-lives-students-checking-privilege-trnd/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/24/politics/march-for-our-lives-... That's rather heartwarming; they clearly intuitively understand solidarity. It's not like someone is holding a gun to their heads and making them do it.
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by drdeca 8y ago

lainga 8y ago

Crybullying against $insertGroupYouDon'tLike has gained popularity over the past decade, at the very least from "not a concept" to extant.

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DuskStar 8y ago

I don't think it would be controversial to say that the amount of people saying that to/about white males has gone up recently.

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drdeca 8y ago
Ah, I probably misinterpreted the group they were talking about. Most of the time I hear people claim that someone else objects to someone's "existence", the person is claiming that people are objecting to the "existence" of homosexual or bisexual or transgender persons. So, with there seeming to be a correlation with red states, I thought maybe the comment was saying "That is because there are a bunch of hateful ___phobes in the red states grrr!" However, I probably should have picked up on the part of the comment that talked about the unchangable property being treated as "violence", and realized that that likely implied that the group imagined to be saying the quote was likely, uh, the group that tends to define "violence" in weird ways to include things that they believe are bad in general. I suppose my first interpretation of the comment also didn't fit particularly well with the increase in the rate being primarily among persons who are (considered) white.

ars 8y ago

Are you kidding? Social pressure to make people feel worthless if you don't toe the line on liberal issues has absolutely skyrocketed.

drdeca 8y ago
I don't think one's political positions/expressions are really a fundamental and immutable part of what one is in the way described by the comment. Unless you mean that the attempts to make people feel worthless are done on the basis of immutable things, but are done in response to "not towing the line"?
- ars 8y ago
  > Unless you mean that the attempts to make people feel worthless are done on the basis of immutable things Yes, I do mean that. If you are white or a male you are told to "check your privilege", and that you "are not allowed to speak about issues". (Is a white male allowed to have an opinion about abortion? Ask yourself what you think, and ask others as well, and that will help you understand.) Go watch some campus talks and see how bad it gets. Or just read this: https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/24/politics/march-for-our-lives-students-checking-privilege-trnd/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/24/politics/march-for-our-lives-... Notice the narrative that the white students don't matter unless they deprecate themself? It's framed in an inclusive way of course ("they include others"), but the subtext is quite obvious. And that's a CNN article, the real world is much worse. The pendulum is swinging, and instead of making everyone important, now those who were marginalized before are gaining status by marginalizing others.
  - pjc50 8y ago
    > https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/24/politics/march-for-our-lives-students-checking-privilege-trnd/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/24/politics/march-for-our-lives-... That's rather heartwarming; they clearly intuitively understand solidarity. It's not like someone is holding a gun to their heads and making them do it.
    - 8y ago