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The article avoids pointing out the obvious, but the map makes it clear this rise is predominantly among white Americans.
by User23 8y ago
The article avoids pointing out the obvious, but the map makes it clear this rise is predominantly among white Americans.
- advisedwang 8y agoThe map absolutely does not make that clear. It could equally be the case that minorities are dying by suicide more in communities where they are totally engulfed by white folks (or folks of any other characteristic that matches the map distribution).
- ManFromUranus 8y ago"where they are totally engulfed by white folks" Too bad they were forced there at gunpoint and not allowed to leave... when will white people learn to stop forcing people into their country, then when they ask to leave, building a wall to keep them in.
- wtetzner 8y agoYou're kidding, right? Many people were forced into the US, and not allowed to leave. The descendants of those people are natural-born citizens. It's their country too.
- ben509 8y agoTheir ancestors were forced here, but their ancestors are not the ones "engulfed by white folks" which is what the original comment claimed. Now, their descendants may feel like they're being persecuted, because they hear that they are from people who have no apparent reason to lie to them. And they may in fact be killing themselves over it.
- ManFromUranus 8y agoNobody here now who writes things like "engulfed by white folks" has any knowledge of or claim to any of the events you mentioned. Nobody was forced into the country, nobody is forced to stay here. Nobody is forced to be around white people.
- toomuchtodo 8y agoClustered in the central US states, primarily due to relationship issues.
- megaman22 8y agoIt's not really surprising that middle-aged men who have been raked over the coals in a divorce and left with a hole they'll never get out of, would opt for an end to the pain.
- toomuchtodo 8y agoAgreed. Divorce is one of the most financially devastating events that can happen in one’s life. The longer I’m alive, the longer I recommend to people to never get married. Live together, but keep your finances separate (does not apply in community property states; watch out!).
- ams6110 8y agoPrenuptial agreements are a thing. Though there's probably some sound thinking behind the point of view that if you aren't willing to get married without a prenup, then you really shouldn't be getting married.
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- User23 8y agoOr you can marry someone who doesn't consider divorce an option, for example a devout Catholic. Of course that assumes they will stick to their beliefs in the face of temptation, and observably many do not.
- dsnuh 8y agoGood luck actually getting that pre-nup enforced in court! Just don't get married, unless you are ready to lose it all if it goes south.
- cahomeown456 8y agoWhites are the only racial group that you are allowed to openly hate and make disparaging jokes and comments about in polite company. Whites are even gaslit into not believing that such a group even exists ("whiteness is a social construct"). Imagine if they same were done to any other group.
- acover 8y agoDid they correct for any confounding variables? Old people are more likely to kill themselves and US has an aging population. Edit: Also, old people in the USA are more likely to be white.
- joshuahedlund 8y agoI don't have time to follow the links and dig into the data quality but a recent SSC post[0] claims "Blacks and Hispanics have only about half the suicide rate of whites", which seems pretty strong to be accounted for by average age differences. [0]http://slatestarcodex.com/2018/05/31/in-search-of-missing-us-suicides/ http://slatestarcodex.com/2018/05/31/in-search-of-missing-us...
- acover 8y agoYeah, I think I'm completely wrong. It's middle aged white men who have the highest likelihood. Those 64-75 have a lower rate. [0] [0] - https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/ https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/
- sp332 8y agoAccording to https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/ https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/ younger Hispanic people are much more likely than young white people.
- DannyB2 8y agoIf true, that is interesting. My observation posted elsewhere here is that it seems to me that higher suicide states seem to be more Republican party states. Not a perfect correlation, but comparing the two maps seems to indicate more than a casual relationship.
- rossdavidh 8y agoNot clear what "...more than a causal relationship" means.
- cmpb 8y agoAnd specifically (and overwhelmingly) males. My own experience would point anecdotally toward it as well, as the four people whom I knew personally who died by suicide were white male Americans.
- sp332 8y agoSuicide attempts are more common among women. But they are less likely to use the most effective methods (e.g. firearms), so they often survive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_differences_in_suicide#Differing_methods_by_gender https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_differences_in_suicide#...
- tntn 8y agoWhether or not it's obvious in the map, it seems to be true. > By race/ethnicity, non-Hispanic whites and American Indian/Alaska Natives had the highest rates of suicide, with rates for both groups showing notable increases across periods [1999-2007, 2008-2015] (from 14.9 to 18.1 and from 15.8 to 20.0, respectively). Rates among non-Hispanic blacks and Asian/Pacific Islanders and among Hispanics were much lower, and showed comparatively modest increases across periods. From https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/wr/mm6610a2.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/wr/mm6610a2.htm
- DoreenMichele 8y agoI don't think you can infer that from a map, but my recollection is that I have read exactly that. Older white men were also the ones who, in the aggregate, took the biggest hit to their careers and incomes in the recent recession. The recovery has seen a lot of hiring, but wages are "sluggish." Given that men often literally can't even get laid if their income is too low, I can well see that taking its toll on someone and them deciding to just throw in the towel.
- kuraudo 8y agoThis isn't exactly the best time to be a white male. There is a lot of hatred, both institutional and cultural, directed their way.
- krapp 8y agoThat's true. But it's still a much better time to be a white male than a nonwhite male, or female, or any type of transgender, in many parts of the world.
- pwinnski 8y agoIt is harder to be a white man today than it was for my father's generation. There is now almost as much institutional hatred directed our way as there is for... no, that's overstating. There is definitely a lot of institutional hatred directed our way, but it still doesn't come anywhere close to the level of institutional hatred directed at literally every group other than white men. The gap between white men and everyone is shrinking, but it's still there.
- krapp 8y agoThe gap closes, but it closes both ways. Minority groups climb incrementally up the ladder of political and cultural relevance by tearing down the power structures which have implicitly (and sometimes explicitly) served to benefit the white majority, and some white people feel persecuted as their identity with that majority privilege and the assumption of their point of view being the cultural default diminishes. It sucks to be ostracized, to be tarred with inaccurate stereotypes based on your gender and race, and to have political and social barriers put in place to hold you back on the basis that you are somehow wrong because of the circumstances of your birth, the color of your skin or the configuration of your genitals? Yes. Yes, it does, doesn't it? However... no one is lynching white people from trees, holding picnics for it and selling photos of it in drugstores. That is what "institutional hatred" looks like and nothing even close to it is happening to white people, or likely would be tolerated in modern society. What they're getting is the kid-gloves introduction to relative minority membership status.
- jupiter90000 8y ago"Suicide decedents without known mental health conditions (11,039; 54.0%) were compared with those with known mental health conditions (9,407; 46.0%) for 27 states. Whereas decedents were predominantly male (76.8%) (Table 1) and non-Hispanic white (83.6%), those without known mental health conditions, relative to those with mental health conditions, were more likely to be male (83.6% versus 68.8%; odds ratio [OR] = 2.3, 95% CI = 2.2–2.5) and belong to a racial/ethnic minority (OR range = 1.2–2.0)." https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/67/wr/mm6722a1.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/67/wr/mm6722a1.htm
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