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>I think most people Based on... what exactly? That's a big claim to make without any data.

geezerjay 8y ago
Speaking on behalf of myself and myself alone, I have published stuff that links to my personal github repos. So although I've already migrated those projects to Gitlab, like the OP said Github is still used as a mirror. I imagine how hard it must be for organizations to do the same.
vokep 8y ago
its a reasonable expectation. You don't need any data to understand that most people will care about certain things in a given situation. (and actually, in making such a generalization, data is being used to make that, its a bit difficult to present that data since its more of a soft 'life experience and understanding of what positions others might be in and choices they might make in such positions' kind of data.)
- EpicEng 8y ago
  >its a reasonable expectation. You don't need any data to understand that most people will care about certain things in a given situation. I don't even know what that means; it's so vague and lacking in detail as to be useless. Of course "people care about things in situations". but we're talking about _what_ they care about, and that depends on the situation. For example: "are Nazi's bad?". I don't need to see hard numbers to believe that the answer from most people will be "yes". "Is MS buying GitHub bad"? That's a whole other story. The vocal minority often doesn't represent the majority in things like this. I think it's pretty clear that most people in fact _don't_ care about the things the-dude cares about. Privacy, lock in, using services provided by "evil" companies... these are things a tiny fraction of people care about. You know how I know that? All of these companies you don't like are _insanely_ successful.
NullPrefix 8y ago
Key word being "think". OP is saying his personal biased opinion.
- EpicEng 8y ago
  Well, yeah, and I'm questioning why OP would "think" that. Just because you have an opinion doesn't make it reasonable.
  - detaro 8y ago
    So you think it's more reasonable to assume most of the migrating projects didn't mirror, but deleted themselves from Github with only a few days warning? That (IMHO) would point even more to it mainly being small, mostly 1-person projects where there's no community to consider.
    - EpicEng 8y ago
      No, what I think is that you just added some context to another person's comment. The top level comment is: >It's interesting to hear this. If you were on HN the past week, it might have seemed from all the front page articles that GitHub was about to implode due to an an exodus to Gitlab. and the-dude said: >I think most people mirrored instead of closing. Spin. You changed that to >I think most people (who migrated away from GitHub) mirrored instead of closing. Spin. Maybe that's what the-dude meant, I don't know. The implication is also that a significant number of users migrated and mirrored, and we have no idea if that's the case. That is my point. You can assume that many who migrated would have mirrored, that's reasonable, but it's not reasonable to assume that a significant number of people are migrating away from GH due to the acquisition, which is absolutely what the-dude was implying. I can see the source of confusion though; I did quote the "most people" bit and didn't touch specifically on the above until just now.
      - detaro 8y ago
        yes, then we did read the-dude's comment differently, I took him as only talking about the moving repositories, as e.g. reported by gitlab's importer numbers.

Speaking on behalf of myself and myself alone, I have published stuff that links to my personal github repos. So although I've already migrated those projects to Gitlab, like the OP said Github is still used as a mirror. I imagine how hard it must be for organizations to do the same.

vokep 8y ago

its a reasonable expectation. You don't need any data to understand that most people will care about certain things in a given situation. (and actually, in making such a generalization, data is being used to make that, its a bit difficult to present that data since its more of a soft 'life experience and understanding of what positions others might be in and choices they might make in such positions' kind of data.)

EpicEng 8y ago
>its a reasonable expectation. You don't need any data to understand that most people will care about certain things in a given situation. I don't even know what that means; it's so vague and lacking in detail as to be useless. Of course "people care about things in situations". but we're talking about _what_ they care about, and that depends on the situation. For example: "are Nazi's bad?". I don't need to see hard numbers to believe that the answer from most people will be "yes". "Is MS buying GitHub bad"? That's a whole other story. The vocal minority often doesn't represent the majority in things like this. I think it's pretty clear that most people in fact _don't_ care about the things the-dude cares about. Privacy, lock in, using services provided by "evil" companies... these are things a tiny fraction of people care about. You know how I know that? All of these companies you don't like are _insanely_ successful.

NullPrefix 8y ago

Key word being "think". OP is saying his personal biased opinion.

EpicEng 8y ago
Well, yeah, and I'm questioning why OP would "think" that. Just because you have an opinion doesn't make it reasonable.
- detaro 8y ago
  So you think it's more reasonable to assume most of the migrating projects didn't mirror, but deleted themselves from Github with only a few days warning? That (IMHO) would point even more to it mainly being small, mostly 1-person projects where there's no community to consider.
  - EpicEng 8y ago
    No, what I think is that you just added some context to another person's comment. The top level comment is: >It's interesting to hear this. If you were on HN the past week, it might have seemed from all the front page articles that GitHub was about to implode due to an an exodus to Gitlab. and the-dude said: >I think most people mirrored instead of closing. Spin. You changed that to >I think most people (who migrated away from GitHub) mirrored instead of closing. Spin. Maybe that's what the-dude meant, I don't know. The implication is also that a significant number of users migrated and mirrored, and we have no idea if that's the case. That is my point. You can assume that many who migrated would have mirrored, that's reasonable, but it's not reasonable to assume that a significant number of people are migrating away from GH due to the acquisition, which is absolutely what the-dude was implying. I can see the source of confusion though; I did quote the "most people" bit and didn't touch specifically on the above until just now.
    - detaro 8y ago
      yes, then we did read the-dude's comment differently, I took him as only talking about the moving repositories, as e.g. reported by gitlab's importer numbers.