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I guess I'm the only one that absolutely loathes pull to refresh. I try to scroll back to the top to reference something and loose my work whatever comment I wa

I guess I'm the only one that absolutely loathes pull to refresh. I try to scroll back to the top to reference something and loose my work whatever comment I was in the middle of typing, or I lose my place, because i didn't want to refresh and now the old content is gone. happens several times a week on iOS chrome >:(

Nadya 8y ago
You're not alone - I hate it too. I always think this problem is easily solved as well. Since touch gestures can already account for "one finger or two". A two finger vertical gesture should refresh (because horizontal zooms), a one finger gesture should scroll.
- ovao 8y ago
  Counter-argument: two-finger gestures are unergonomic for single-handed use. Sometimes that’s an unreasonable trade off; sometimes not.
  - Nadya 8y ago
    Counter-Counter-Argument: Refreshing a page is probably as or less common as needing to zoom a page. Scrolling is far more common than needing to refresh a page. Breaking one-handed scrolling in order to allow for one-handed refreshing seems like a poor choice. Especially when my browser already has a built in refresh button that's easily accessible with one hand. My mobile browser does not, however, have a built in scroll-bar for one handed scrolling in the event a site breaks scrolling in favor of refreshing. In fact, since the scroll gesture is such a standard websites are often designed around not having a vertical scrollbar for mobile because it's pointless... that is, unless they break scrolling. I find the concept convenient. I find the execution terrible.
    - jexah 8y ago
      You're mentioning something about zooming with two hands. I exclusively use one hand to browse, and I use double tap drag to zoom. The thing I find most annoying is moving my hand from the bottom of the screen up a bit to reach the navbar, whether to swipe to move to a newly opened tab, to close a tab, or to enter something in the url. Usually though, those actions only take place when I am "done" on a site, not in the middle of using the site, like refresh. I have never accidently refreshed a page using Chrome's pull to refresh, and so I love it. Having said that, if a developer wanted to refresh part of a page using pull to refresh, they would have to be very careful that it is implemented well. This library seems to do it pretty well, and does not conflict with Chrome's pull to refresh. Anyway, you made the argument that pull to refresh breaks scrolling. I strongly disagree. I've seen some pretty shocking broken scrolling, but modals that prevent scrolling (and have js errors which prevent closing) are usually the cause. I've never see a "pull to anything" gesture break scrolling what-so-ever.
      - Nadya 8y ago
        >I exclusively use one hand to browse, and I use double tap drag to zoom. I also browse exclusively one handed, but not necessarily "one fingered". I grip my phone between my thumb and other three digits and use my index finger for any two finger gestures while my thumb is stationary. This allows me to pinch zoom with one hand. I do this because sites so frequently break one fingered gestures - not really "by choice" but "as a workaround". Try doing the double tap zoom on the Reddit home page. You need to be highly selective of where you double tap, otherwise it treats it like a normal click and you're taken to a comments section, an article, or an external image/video. This is either a bug in Android's double tap timeout or with Reddit breaking the functionality. I can only double tap zoom if I'm very careful to tap in white space which effectively only exists after a title or between the "comments" and "..." (more options) items beneath each post. >I've seen some pretty shocking broken scrolling, but modals that prevent scrolling (and have js errors which prevent closing) are usually the cause. I've never see a "pull to anything" gesture break scrolling what-so-ever. I was frequently unable to scroll on Reddit mobile (not the app) because Reddit thinks I wanted to do a page refresh. It's enough of a problem that I simply didn't scroll back up anymore when browsing. It must have been a common enough issue because the gesture had been removed at some point.
saagarjha 8y ago
> I try to scroll back to the top Try tapping top middle of the screen.
- greggman 8y ago
  change scroll back to top to just scroll up.
systoll 8y ago
IMO, chrome is a mis-use of pull-to-refresh. Where appropriate [eg: Tweetie, where it started; mail; youtube; facebook], you've got a reverse chronological listing, and 'pull-to-refresh' is more explicitly 'pull-to-put-new-content-above-the-current-page'. It's the other side of an infinite scroll. If it destroys the current page, it shouldn't be on a scroll-up.
1701d 8y ago
Try scrolling up with shorter, faster flicks then. In iOS Chrome you have to already be at the top of the page and then pull fairly far to cause a refresh.

Nadya 8y ago

You're not alone - I hate it too. I always think this problem is easily solved as well. Since touch gestures can already account for "one finger or two". A two finger vertical gesture should refresh (because horizontal zooms), a one finger gesture should scroll.

ovao 8y ago
Counter-argument: two-finger gestures are unergonomic for single-handed use. Sometimes that’s an unreasonable trade off; sometimes not.
- Nadya 8y ago
  Counter-Counter-Argument: Refreshing a page is probably as or less common as needing to zoom a page. Scrolling is far more common than needing to refresh a page. Breaking one-handed scrolling in order to allow for one-handed refreshing seems like a poor choice. Especially when my browser already has a built in refresh button that's easily accessible with one hand. My mobile browser does not, however, have a built in scroll-bar for one handed scrolling in the event a site breaks scrolling in favor of refreshing. In fact, since the scroll gesture is such a standard websites are often designed around not having a vertical scrollbar for mobile because it's pointless... that is, unless they break scrolling. I find the concept convenient. I find the execution terrible.
  - jexah 8y ago
    You're mentioning something about zooming with two hands. I exclusively use one hand to browse, and I use double tap drag to zoom. The thing I find most annoying is moving my hand from the bottom of the screen up a bit to reach the navbar, whether to swipe to move to a newly opened tab, to close a tab, or to enter something in the url. Usually though, those actions only take place when I am "done" on a site, not in the middle of using the site, like refresh. I have never accidently refreshed a page using Chrome's pull to refresh, and so I love it. Having said that, if a developer wanted to refresh part of a page using pull to refresh, they would have to be very careful that it is implemented well. This library seems to do it pretty well, and does not conflict with Chrome's pull to refresh. Anyway, you made the argument that pull to refresh breaks scrolling. I strongly disagree. I've seen some pretty shocking broken scrolling, but modals that prevent scrolling (and have js errors which prevent closing) are usually the cause. I've never see a "pull to anything" gesture break scrolling what-so-ever.
    - Nadya 8y ago
      >I exclusively use one hand to browse, and I use double tap drag to zoom. I also browse exclusively one handed, but not necessarily "one fingered". I grip my phone between my thumb and other three digits and use my index finger for any two finger gestures while my thumb is stationary. This allows me to pinch zoom with one hand. I do this because sites so frequently break one fingered gestures - not really "by choice" but "as a workaround". Try doing the double tap zoom on the Reddit home page. You need to be highly selective of where you double tap, otherwise it treats it like a normal click and you're taken to a comments section, an article, or an external image/video. This is either a bug in Android's double tap timeout or with Reddit breaking the functionality. I can only double tap zoom if I'm very careful to tap in white space which effectively only exists after a title or between the "comments" and "..." (more options) items beneath each post. >I've seen some pretty shocking broken scrolling, but modals that prevent scrolling (and have js errors which prevent closing) are usually the cause. I've never see a "pull to anything" gesture break scrolling what-so-ever. I was frequently unable to scroll on Reddit mobile (not the app) because Reddit thinks I wanted to do a page refresh. It's enough of a problem that I simply didn't scroll back up anymore when browsing. It must have been a common enough issue because the gesture had been removed at some point.

saagarjha 8y ago

> I try to scroll back to the top Try tapping top middle of the screen.

greggman 8y ago
change scroll back to top to just scroll up.

systoll 8y ago

IMO, chrome is a mis-use of pull-to-refresh. Where appropriate [eg: Tweetie, where it started; mail; youtube; facebook], you've got a reverse chronological listing, and 'pull-to-refresh' is more explicitly 'pull-to-put-new-content-above-the-current-page'. It's the other side of an infinite scroll. If it destroys the current page, it shouldn't be on a scroll-up.

1701d 8y ago

Try scrolling up with shorter, faster flicks then. In iOS Chrome you have to already be at the top of the page and then pull fairly far to cause a refresh.