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Makes me wonder about the future of self-driving cars. I would think that the first thing that should be programmed in is to not run into objects that are not

Makes me wonder about the future of self-driving cars. I would think that the first thing that should be programmed in is to not run into objects that are not moving. IMO, maybe the roads need to be certified for self-driving. Dangerous areas would be properly painted to prevent recognition errors. Every self-driving system would need to query some database to see if a road is certified. If not, the self-driving system safely disengages.

drag0nballz 8y ago
This is a Tesla issue. Waymo uses Lidar and most likely won't run into walls.
- mcguire 8y ago
  I don't know that the issue is LIDAR, but rather distinguishing a stationary object in front from stationary objects to the side. Does Uber use LIDAR?
  - Piskvorrr 8y ago
    Well, "uses": it seems that in the case of E.H., the lidar was there but its output was discarded in the end.
EthanHeilman 8y ago
>Makes me wonder about the future of self-driving cars. I would think that the first thing that should be programmed in is to not run into objects that are not moving. My understanding is that Telsa's autopilot is pretty different from other more mature self-driving car projects. I wouldn't read too much into it.
JackCh 8y ago
Tesla claims their cars have all the hardware required for full self-driving, but their cars do not have LIDAR. Every serious self-driving outfit understands LIDAR to be necessary. Tesla's marketing department would have people believe otherwise of course.
- codedokode 8y ago
  Exactly. I think a LIDAR could see the obstacle in this case.
  - uncoder0 8y ago
    You are correct. Built an autonomous car in 2007 that wouldn't hit that wall.
    - Fricken 8y ago
      Were you using the Velodyne 64s? Cruise, who uses the 32 laser velodynes avoids highway/freeway speeds because their lidar doesn't have the range to reliably detect obstacles at that distance.
      - uncoder0 8y ago
        SICK LMS 2xx. Weakest link was the java microcontrollers we had to use because we were majority funded by SUN. My favorite part was the old elevator relays we found in a junkyard and used for a bunch of the control system. You could hear the car 'thinking' and know what it was about to do.
        berti 8y ago
        I'm involved in a project using the LMS5xx.. but on a PLC, so I envy your Java microcontroller! Have you seen SICK's new MRS 6000? Range of 200 m, and 15 degrees vertical (15 degrees)! Pricing is similar to LMS5xx.
        uncoder0 8y ago
        I've been out of the space for nearly 10 years. Just checked out that MRS6000 thats amazing.
prawn 8y ago
I wonder if we'll see it speed-limited. For commutes, if my time is freed up to read/work, then I don't need to be going 70 mph. If I'm travelling across a continent overnight, the gain I'd get from 10+ autonomous hours overnight would beat having to rush when driving personally. And I agree with certified roads. But even then, if a truck drops cargo in the middle of the lane, you'd want to be in a car that can detect something sitting still in front of you.

drag0nballz 8y ago

This is a Tesla issue. Waymo uses Lidar and most likely won't run into walls.

mcguire 8y ago
I don't know that the issue is LIDAR, but rather distinguishing a stationary object in front from stationary objects to the side. Does Uber use LIDAR?
- Piskvorrr 8y ago
  Well, "uses": it seems that in the case of E.H., the lidar was there but its output was discarded in the end.

EthanHeilman 8y ago

>Makes me wonder about the future of self-driving cars. I would think that the first thing that should be programmed in is to not run into objects that are not moving. My understanding is that Telsa's autopilot is pretty different from other more mature self-driving car projects. I wouldn't read too much into it.

JackCh 8y ago

Tesla claims their cars have all the hardware required for full self-driving, but their cars do not have LIDAR. Every serious self-driving outfit understands LIDAR to be necessary. Tesla's marketing department would have people believe otherwise of course.

codedokode 8y ago
Exactly. I think a LIDAR could see the obstacle in this case.
- uncoder0 8y ago
  You are correct. Built an autonomous car in 2007 that wouldn't hit that wall.
  - Fricken 8y ago
    Were you using the Velodyne 64s? Cruise, who uses the 32 laser velodynes avoids highway/freeway speeds because their lidar doesn't have the range to reliably detect obstacles at that distance.
    - uncoder0 8y ago
      SICK LMS 2xx. Weakest link was the java microcontrollers we had to use because we were majority funded by SUN. My favorite part was the old elevator relays we found in a junkyard and used for a bunch of the control system. You could hear the car 'thinking' and know what it was about to do.
      - berti 8y ago
        I'm involved in a project using the LMS5xx.. but on a PLC, so I envy your Java microcontroller! Have you seen SICK's new MRS 6000? Range of 200 m, and 15 degrees vertical (15 degrees)! Pricing is similar to LMS5xx.
        uncoder0 8y ago
        I've been out of the space for nearly 10 years. Just checked out that MRS6000 thats amazing.

prawn 8y ago

I wonder if we'll see it speed-limited. For commutes, if my time is freed up to read/work, then I don't need to be going 70 mph. If I'm travelling across a continent overnight, the gain I'd get from 10+ autonomous hours overnight would beat having to rush when driving personally. And I agree with certified roads. But even then, if a truck drops cargo in the middle of the lane, you'd want to be in a car that can detect something sitting still in front of you.