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But they'd also take themselves out of a situation where non-corrupt authorities could use their power appropriately. You have to do the ethical math on the lik

But they'd also take themselves out of a situation where non-corrupt authorities could use their power appropriately. You have to do the ethical math on the likelihood of either possibility and the consequences, which is subjective.

gsich 8y ago
Don't advertise with "no logs" then.
- detaro 8y ago
  The parent explicitly said that would be unethical, so you agree with them.
- openasocket 8y ago
  I completely agree, and said so in my original comment.
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SlowRobotAhead 8y ago
>But they'd also take themselves out of a situation where non-corrupt authorities could use their power appropriately. Oh, well, if we're limiting the conversation to hypotheticals... How about the idea that your bad behavior doesn't forfeit my right to privacy? I don't care if every other VPN user starts money laundry drug money by selling child porn - when it comes to my VPN logs, you can get lost, and I do nothing unusual or illegal. I have a very American attitude about personal freedoms and privacy. I don't believe that every opportunity for data collection should be implemented just because an authority says it's for "the greater good".
- openasocket 8y ago
  > I don't care if every other VPN user starts money laundry drug money by selling child porn ... If I require a valid warrant for a carefully scoped query, law enforcement would have to have probable cause, demonstrate that in a court, and get approval from a judge. Note the "carefully scoped" part: they can ask "who was using this IP address at this time to visit this site" but they don't get unlimited access to the logs data. The only way they would be able to get data about you is with probable cause that you are doing something illegal. Even if everyone else using that service is using it for illegal things, that does not constitute probable cause for them to get your data. > I don't believe that every opportunity for data collection should be implemented just because an authority says it's for "the greater good". I agree.

gsich 8y ago

Don't advertise with "no logs" then.

detaro 8y ago
The parent explicitly said that would be unethical, so you agree with them.
openasocket 8y ago
I completely agree, and said so in my original comment.
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SlowRobotAhead 8y ago

>But they'd also take themselves out of a situation where non-corrupt authorities could use their power appropriately. Oh, well, if we're limiting the conversation to hypotheticals... How about the idea that your bad behavior doesn't forfeit my right to privacy? I don't care if every other VPN user starts money laundry drug money by selling child porn - when it comes to my VPN logs, you can get lost, and I do nothing unusual or illegal. I have a very American attitude about personal freedoms and privacy. I don't believe that every opportunity for data collection should be implemented just because an authority says it's for "the greater good".

openasocket 8y ago
> I don't care if every other VPN user starts money laundry drug money by selling child porn ... If I require a valid warrant for a carefully scoped query, law enforcement would have to have probable cause, demonstrate that in a court, and get approval from a judge. Note the "carefully scoped" part: they can ask "who was using this IP address at this time to visit this site" but they don't get unlimited access to the logs data. The only way they would be able to get data about you is with probable cause that you are doing something illegal. Even if everyone else using that service is using it for illegal things, that does not constitute probable cause for them to get your data. > I don't believe that every opportunity for data collection should be implemented just because an authority says it's for "the greater good". I agree.