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CEO's statement on Reddit : https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/8ogup1/ipvanish_claims_0_log_policy_busted_for_logging/e03mrw6/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Pi

CEO's statement on Reddit : https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/8ogup1/ipvanish_claims_0_log_policy_busted_for_logging/e03mrw6/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/8ogup1/ipvanish_cla... >We don't typically jump into Reddit or other forums but this topic is too important to me. I'm the CEO of StackPath and we acquired IPVanish in February, 2017 (more than a year after the lawsuit from 2016). With no exception IPVanish does not, has not, and will not log or store logs of our users as a StackPath company. Most important, StackPath will defend the privacy of our users regardless of who demands otherwise. I can't speak to what happened on someone else's watch but Technology is my life and I've spent my career helping customers build on and use the Internet on their terms. StackPath takes that even further—security and privacy is our core mission. I also happen to be a lawyer and I will spend my last breath protecting individuals' rights to privacy, especially our customers.

hashkb 8y ago
Too stupid for words. They know they are working with customers who barely understand the technology and they are outright lying to them. I'm not here to defend kiddie porn addicts or idiots on the internet, but it's definitely worth pointing out 1) that's an empty statement and 2) they know it guarantees nothing.
- rhacker 8y ago
  I would have to say that any company in the world can pretty much state whatever it is that they want regarding logging/not logging. Unfortunately if it ends up being a lie, they can be sued by people directly suffering damages (in this case probably when the kiddie porn person is out of jail - I am assuming he will go up against a lot of judges and may have to go to the supreme court which would likely end up siding with him - lucky for us, he's probably not that passionate about fighting his cause). And secondly the FTC could sue the company just the same for not being truthful in the advertising. But it sounds like IPVanish had previous owners, so who knows how that will go.
saas_co_de 8y ago
Whether a company promises not to keep logs or not they can and always will comply with legal requests (court order, warrant, national security letter, etc, etc) to monitor specific targets. Otherwise they will be out of business. Bottom line: don't do illegal stuff. These services (if they are actually telling the truth about not logging) are good for protecting your privacy as a law abiding citizen but they don't really provide any shield for criminal activity.
- MaxBarraclough 8y ago
  So you're just going to ignore the fact that they explicitly promised their users that they don't keep logs, while keeping logs? I wonder if it qualifies as unlawful false advertising.
  - lotyrin 8y ago
    If they didn't keep logs and aren't lying, they could still be asked or warranted to allow LEO to monitor their system live during a suspect's usage in order to identify them.
    - MaxBarraclough 8y ago
      Indeed, they could be compelled to do that, but according to the article they were keeping logs in this case, despite explicitly advertising that they didn't.
      - Proof 8y ago
        This is exactly the issue that should be stressed repeatedly. When a firm advertises itself as such, that values customers' privacy,etc etc. There should not be any logs, espeically if they make it their number one selling-point. Regarding illegle activities, if there is a will strong enough that warrents Powers that be to track down something, one way or another, it will happen. No matter, how much one deludes himself into a sense of security. The idiot in the article shoudln't have been posting shit in a fucking irc channel to begin with. Pardon my english, am very tired and not my mother-language.

hashkb 8y ago

Too stupid for words. They know they are working with customers who barely understand the technology and they are outright lying to them. I'm not here to defend kiddie porn addicts or idiots on the internet, but it's definitely worth pointing out 1) that's an empty statement and 2) they know it guarantees nothing.

rhacker 8y ago
I would have to say that any company in the world can pretty much state whatever it is that they want regarding logging/not logging. Unfortunately if it ends up being a lie, they can be sued by people directly suffering damages (in this case probably when the kiddie porn person is out of jail - I am assuming he will go up against a lot of judges and may have to go to the supreme court which would likely end up siding with him - lucky for us, he's probably not that passionate about fighting his cause). And secondly the FTC could sue the company just the same for not being truthful in the advertising. But it sounds like IPVanish had previous owners, so who knows how that will go.

saas_co_de 8y ago

Whether a company promises not to keep logs or not they can and always will comply with legal requests (court order, warrant, national security letter, etc, etc) to monitor specific targets. Otherwise they will be out of business. Bottom line: don't do illegal stuff. These services (if they are actually telling the truth about not logging) are good for protecting your privacy as a law abiding citizen but they don't really provide any shield for criminal activity.

MaxBarraclough 8y ago
So you're just going to ignore the fact that they explicitly promised their users that they don't keep logs, while keeping logs? I wonder if it qualifies as unlawful false advertising.
- lotyrin 8y ago
  If they didn't keep logs and aren't lying, they could still be asked or warranted to allow LEO to monitor their system live during a suspect's usage in order to identify them.
  - MaxBarraclough 8y ago
    Indeed, they could be compelled to do that, but according to the article they were keeping logs in this case, despite explicitly advertising that they didn't.
    - Proof 8y ago
      This is exactly the issue that should be stressed repeatedly. When a firm advertises itself as such, that values customers' privacy,etc etc. There should not be any logs, espeically if they make it their number one selling-point. Regarding illegle activities, if there is a will strong enough that warrents Powers that be to track down something, one way or another, it will happen. No matter, how much one deludes himself into a sense of security. The idiot in the article shoudln't have been posting shit in a fucking irc channel to begin with. Pardon my english, am very tired and not my mother-language.