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I've worked in FANG companies too. In fact most people who left Google I know did it because they were largely in QA and their friends who were so called workin

by kamaal 8y ago

I've worked in FANG companies too. In fact most people who left Google I know did it because they were largely in QA and their friends who were so called working in crappy services companies, often from colleges considered bad, did more code work then them. They were largely forced to leave and join start ups because the difference in experience was catching up with them. Fb was purely a 'hire and send' unit in Hyd, and even now most of their core work is either Menlo Park or London. In fact London is where most of the folks go should H1B fail. The dev work Fb does in Hyd is an acquired company. Amazon is a different case as dev teams do all the work, and there are no separate production engineering teams. So you do all that work, under a 'Software engineer' title. You would also be curious to see the attrition numbers in Amazon. They rival Infosys. :-) Yup, NetApp if you don't work on core teams. Same with Cisco and Juniper networks. If you are not with core teams, internal tools is what you do. This whole trope Services companies being crap, Mythical opportunities in product companies or 'Promised land' land immigration opportunities have forced hordes of talented people to get into SRE and other non-dev work, and then later end up realizing that immigration et al is largely political lottery which most of them lose. And yes once you go down these non dev paths for a few years, the guy from tier-2/tier-3 college whom you laughed at, for joining Wipro, will be having the last laugh.

throwaway1414 8y ago
Looks like the people who left Google you know were not hired into Google proper. What you describe sounds like they were working for a vendor providing QA services to Google. Sure your friends were probably walking into Google office with a Google ID card but being on Google payroll is a completely different thing from being on a vendor payroll. Every company has core teams and non-core teams. Why do you present the non-core teams' work as representative of the company as a whole and not the core team's work as representative of the company as a whole? Your comparison of Amazon with Infosys is ridiculous. The high attrition rate of Amazon has nothing to do with the quality of work. It is due to the culture - long working hours and the demanding work culture. But the work in Amazon is at least two orders of magnitude better than what you get in Infosys. Which FANG companies have you worked for? You might throw one of the names from FANG at me but I cannot believe you. I know I am a stranger on internet and so are you, so it is just going to be my word against yours and a lot of anecdata from both sides. But per the anecdata I have, I see that your comments here are so misinformed that I do not believe you have worked for any FANG company.
- kamaal 8y ago
  >>But the work in Amazon is at least two orders of magnitude better than what you get in Infosys. No. In fact this is precisely the kind of binary classification that forces people to make bad decisions. Please try to understand that people working Wipro or Infosys or TCS are humans like us, who use the same programming languages and same computers. This binary classification is why people up becoming SREs at Google, while they could have probably been programmers at Cognizant.
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  - throwaway1414 8y ago
    You mean if someone decides to work for Amazon instead of Infosys, it is a bad decision? If you really believe that you sound like one of those thousands of employees from the likes of services companies like Cognizant or dated product companies (looking at you Cisco and Oracle) who want to justify it to themselves and others that they are in a place as good as any FANG and there is no good reason to work for FANG. This sounds like crying sour grapes. Sorry to burst your bubble, but things are really really that much better in FANG than the Ciscos and Oracles and Cognizants. I began my career in the services industry. Later I have worked for two FANGs for two years each. I quit them not because the work was bad. The work was damn good. I quit because I got a better job with a better salary and easier working hours. And what's with this silly comparison of SREs at Google with programmers of Cognizant? Why compare SREs with programmers? That's comparing apples to oranges! Compare apples to apples. A programmer at Google or Amazon is going to be doing far more interesting work than a programmer at Cognizant. A programmer at Google or Amazon is going to be far more skilled than a programmer at Cognizant. Likewise for a QA at Google vs. a QA at Cognizant. Likewise for an SRE at Google vs. an SRE at Cognizant. If someone who wants to be a programmer chooses to be an SRE instead, then the choice of profession, not the choice of the company, is the problem here. And SREs are not some kind of low class work that you seem to believe in. If you really think a programmer at Cognizant is somehow a better job at SRE at Google, please come out of this service industry mentality where one kind of work has to be better than another. One is not better than another. They are just different. They require different skill sets. A lot of very smart people I know are SREs. They enjoy the thrill of cutting through the complexity of network topology, load balancers, DNS, container orchestration, system performance, hardware and software issues to resolve puzzling issues when services go down.
chappar 8y ago
I guess it depends on which team you are in. I have worked for some of the well know MNCs(not FANG) in Bangalore, some of the teams I was part of did really hard core development work. Some of my team members in Bangalore were more competent than our US counterpart.
pwneduser 8y ago
"I've worked in FANG companies too." No, you haven't. It is so apparent from your misguided views as expressed in your preposterous comments that it is glaringly obvious to anyone who has actually worked for FANG (in Bangalore/Hyderabad) that you certainly haven't.

by kamaal 8y ago

throwaway1414 8y ago

Looks like the people who left Google you know were not hired into Google proper. What you describe sounds like they were working for a vendor providing QA services to Google. Sure your friends were probably walking into Google office with a Google ID card but being on Google payroll is a completely different thing from being on a vendor payroll. Every company has core teams and non-core teams. Why do you present the non-core teams' work as representative of the company as a whole and not the core team's work as representative of the company as a whole? Your comparison of Amazon with Infosys is ridiculous. The high attrition rate of Amazon has nothing to do with the quality of work. It is due to the culture - long working hours and the demanding work culture. But the work in Amazon is at least two orders of magnitude better than what you get in Infosys. Which FANG companies have you worked for? You might throw one of the names from FANG at me but I cannot believe you. I know I am a stranger on internet and so are you, so it is just going to be my word against yours and a lot of anecdata from both sides. But per the anecdata I have, I see that your comments here are so misinformed that I do not believe you have worked for any FANG company.

kamaal 8y ago
>>But the work in Amazon is at least two orders of magnitude better than what you get in Infosys. No. In fact this is precisely the kind of binary classification that forces people to make bad decisions. Please try to understand that people working Wipro or Infosys or TCS are humans like us, who use the same programming languages and same computers. This binary classification is why people up becoming SREs at Google, while they could have probably been programmers at Cognizant.
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- throwaway1414 8y ago
  You mean if someone decides to work for Amazon instead of Infosys, it is a bad decision? If you really believe that you sound like one of those thousands of employees from the likes of services companies like Cognizant or dated product companies (looking at you Cisco and Oracle) who want to justify it to themselves and others that they are in a place as good as any FANG and there is no good reason to work for FANG. This sounds like crying sour grapes. Sorry to burst your bubble, but things are really really that much better in FANG than the Ciscos and Oracles and Cognizants. I began my career in the services industry. Later I have worked for two FANGs for two years each. I quit them not because the work was bad. The work was damn good. I quit because I got a better job with a better salary and easier working hours. And what's with this silly comparison of SREs at Google with programmers of Cognizant? Why compare SREs with programmers? That's comparing apples to oranges! Compare apples to apples. A programmer at Google or Amazon is going to be doing far more interesting work than a programmer at Cognizant. A programmer at Google or Amazon is going to be far more skilled than a programmer at Cognizant. Likewise for a QA at Google vs. a QA at Cognizant. Likewise for an SRE at Google vs. an SRE at Cognizant. If someone who wants to be a programmer chooses to be an SRE instead, then the choice of profession, not the choice of the company, is the problem here. And SREs are not some kind of low class work that you seem to believe in. If you really think a programmer at Cognizant is somehow a better job at SRE at Google, please come out of this service industry mentality where one kind of work has to be better than another. One is not better than another. They are just different. They require different skill sets. A lot of very smart people I know are SREs. They enjoy the thrill of cutting through the complexity of network topology, load balancers, DNS, container orchestration, system performance, hardware and software issues to resolve puzzling issues when services go down.

chappar 8y ago

I guess it depends on which team you are in. I have worked for some of the well know MNCs(not FANG) in Bangalore, some of the teams I was part of did really hard core development work. Some of my team members in Bangalore were more competent than our US counterpart.

pwneduser 8y ago

"I've worked in FANG companies too." No, you haven't. It is so apparent from your misguided views as expressed in your preposterous comments that it is glaringly obvious to anyone who has actually worked for FANG (in Bangalore/Hyderabad) that you certainly haven't.