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>>Also the best Indian engineers end up working for big companies like FANG. Most jobs are in those companies in Bangalore are in QA/SRE/SysAdmin area. If peo

by kamaal 8y ago

>>Also the best Indian engineers end up working for big companies like FANG. Most jobs are in those companies in Bangalore are in QA/SRE/SysAdmin area. If people throwing away coding work in services to these non-dev work in FANG companies I wouldn't consider them too smart. Even the other product companies like NetApp largely make engineers work on some internal php tool. Product companies pay well, but the average quality of work isn't necessarily better than services firms.

stealthmodeclan 8y ago
Most jobs are in those companies in Bangalore are in QA/SRE/SysAdmin area. If people throwing away coding work in services to these non-dev work in FANG companies I wouldn't consider them too smart. Good engineers are moved to headquarter in the US. Product companies pay well, but the average quality of work isn't necessarily better than services firms. I work in a product company, so I've no idea what's happening in the service industry.
- kamaal 8y ago
  >>Good engineers are moved to headquarter in the US. Not all though. Crazy politics for such things. You tend to get shafted instantly if you don't have leverage with your manager. And in India deep linguistic and state affiliations play into all these things. I was lucky that I was offered during a situation where a whole center was being shutdown and they had to relocate a bunch of folks to maintain continuity. When the center was actually running, you had to be in the good books of the inner management cartel. Many equations decided who would get what, and job performance was the least of it. Also you tend to suffer on the longer run if you are not in dev work, even in the US. One hears whole QA units or SRE units shutdown during lay offs, and that's understandable. After a while devs tend to do all work instead of having to deal with other teams to do only one extra step after their work. But that part of relocation to US. I have many friends(Most people are in this category) who got shafted in office politics and never made it. Even if you do go, you go in L1B, where you can't change jobs and will likely be in EB-2(May be never see GC). These days they don't extend L1B(Thanks to Trump). So its again more or less the service company deal, you return in 3 - 4 years and now you are with non-dev skills.
throwaway1414 8y ago
> Most jobs are in those companies in Bangalore are in QA/SRE/SysAdmin area. Came here to record my anecdotal data and say that this comment is blatantly false and very misleading. Let us take FANG one by one. Facebook: There is very little QA in the Hyderabad office of Facebook. Most of the work is in software development area. Amazon: Are you kidding me? Many high profile projects of Amazon such as Amazon Prime and Amazon Pay are executed in Bangalore. The Bangalore office of Amazon developed many critical services for Amazon Prime from scratch. Netflix: Can't talk much about Netflix because most of the work that does Netflix does in India is in the business, legal and marketing area. Google: Are you kidding me again? A significant portion of some Google infrastructure services and some Google public services are developed in Bangalore. Source: I have worked in two of the FANGs in Bangalore and I have friends in the others. And I don't know where you are getting your heavily biased data point about NetApp from. If you take one data point and say the whole company works on internal PHP tool, well then here is a surprise for you. All companies work on internal PHP tools or something to that effect. They have their enterprisey systems to run. Every company does that. Whoever has told you this very naive view of NetApp has forgotten to tell you that NetApp also works on data storage systems, cloud analytics, performance analytics, OpenStack based private cloud orchestration (whole distributed software systems developed from scratch in Bangalore). Before you keep spreading this kind of false data about the top-tier software companies in Bangalore, please lookup NetApp ONTAP and enlighten yourself. Source: I have worked in NetApp too for 3 years.
- kamaal 8y ago
  I've worked in FANG companies too. In fact most people who left Google I know did it because they were largely in QA and their friends who were so called working in crappy services companies, often from colleges considered bad, did more code work then them. They were largely forced to leave and join start ups because the difference in experience was catching up with them. Fb was purely a 'hire and send' unit in Hyd, and even now most of their core work is either Menlo Park or London. In fact London is where most of the folks go should H1B fail. The dev work Fb does in Hyd is an acquired company. Amazon is a different case as dev teams do all the work, and there are no separate production engineering teams. So you do all that work, under a 'Software engineer' title. You would also be curious to see the attrition numbers in Amazon. They rival Infosys. :-) Yup, NetApp if you don't work on core teams. Same with Cisco and Juniper networks. If you are not with core teams, internal tools is what you do. This whole trope Services companies being crap, Mythical opportunities in product companies or 'Promised land' land immigration opportunities have forced hordes of talented people to get into SRE and other non-dev work, and then later end up realizing that immigration et al is largely political lottery which most of them lose. And yes once you go down these non dev paths for a few years, the guy from tier-2/tier-3 college whom you laughed at, for joining Wipro, will be having the last laugh.
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by kamaal 8y ago

stealthmodeclan 8y ago

Most jobs are in those companies in Bangalore are in QA/SRE/SysAdmin area. If people throwing away coding work in services to these non-dev work in FANG companies I wouldn't consider them too smart. Good engineers are moved to headquarter in the US. Product companies pay well, but the average quality of work isn't necessarily better than services firms. I work in a product company, so I've no idea what's happening in the service industry.

kamaal 8y ago
>>Good engineers are moved to headquarter in the US. Not all though. Crazy politics for such things. You tend to get shafted instantly if you don't have leverage with your manager. And in India deep linguistic and state affiliations play into all these things. I was lucky that I was offered during a situation where a whole center was being shutdown and they had to relocate a bunch of folks to maintain continuity. When the center was actually running, you had to be in the good books of the inner management cartel. Many equations decided who would get what, and job performance was the least of it. Also you tend to suffer on the longer run if you are not in dev work, even in the US. One hears whole QA units or SRE units shutdown during lay offs, and that's understandable. After a while devs tend to do all work instead of having to deal with other teams to do only one extra step after their work. But that part of relocation to US. I have many friends(Most people are in this category) who got shafted in office politics and never made it. Even if you do go, you go in L1B, where you can't change jobs and will likely be in EB-2(May be never see GC). These days they don't extend L1B(Thanks to Trump). So its again more or less the service company deal, you return in 3 - 4 years and now you are with non-dev skills.

throwaway1414 8y ago

> Most jobs are in those companies in Bangalore are in QA/SRE/SysAdmin area. Came here to record my anecdotal data and say that this comment is blatantly false and very misleading. Let us take FANG one by one. Facebook: There is very little QA in the Hyderabad office of Facebook. Most of the work is in software development area. Amazon: Are you kidding me? Many high profile projects of Amazon such as Amazon Prime and Amazon Pay are executed in Bangalore. The Bangalore office of Amazon developed many critical services for Amazon Prime from scratch. Netflix: Can't talk much about Netflix because most of the work that does Netflix does in India is in the business, legal and marketing area. Google: Are you kidding me again? A significant portion of some Google infrastructure services and some Google public services are developed in Bangalore. Source: I have worked in two of the FANGs in Bangalore and I have friends in the others. And I don't know where you are getting your heavily biased data point about NetApp from. If you take one data point and say the whole company works on internal PHP tool, well then here is a surprise for you. All companies work on internal PHP tools or something to that effect. They have their enterprisey systems to run. Every company does that. Whoever has told you this very naive view of NetApp has forgotten to tell you that NetApp also works on data storage systems, cloud analytics, performance analytics, OpenStack based private cloud orchestration (whole distributed software systems developed from scratch in Bangalore). Before you keep spreading this kind of false data about the top-tier software companies in Bangalore, please lookup NetApp ONTAP and enlighten yourself. Source: I have worked in NetApp too for 3 years.

kamaal 8y ago
I've worked in FANG companies too. In fact most people who left Google I know did it because they were largely in QA and their friends who were so called working in crappy services companies, often from colleges considered bad, did more code work then them. They were largely forced to leave and join start ups because the difference in experience was catching up with them. Fb was purely a 'hire and send' unit in Hyd, and even now most of their core work is either Menlo Park or London. In fact London is where most of the folks go should H1B fail. The dev work Fb does in Hyd is an acquired company. Amazon is a different case as dev teams do all the work, and there are no separate production engineering teams. So you do all that work, under a 'Software engineer' title. You would also be curious to see the attrition numbers in Amazon. They rival Infosys. :-) Yup, NetApp if you don't work on core teams. Same with Cisco and Juniper networks. If you are not with core teams, internal tools is what you do. This whole trope Services companies being crap, Mythical opportunities in product companies or 'Promised land' land immigration opportunities have forced hordes of talented people to get into SRE and other non-dev work, and then later end up realizing that immigration et al is largely political lottery which most of them lose. And yes once you go down these non dev paths for a few years, the guy from tier-2/tier-3 college whom you laughed at, for joining Wipro, will be having the last laugh.

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