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No, that's just you believing that no one should be able to unionize, just being too timid to come out and say so.

AnimalMuppet 8y ago
Please don't put words in others' mouth, and please don't ascribe bad motives to posters (even if they disagree with you). Even if that's how you normally post, don't do it here.
- s73v3r_ 8y ago
  I fail to see why it's a bad thing to give people heads up to what the actual outcomes of their positions lead to. Saying that employers should be able to not hire union workers means that they won't hire any union workers, meaning that the union won't be able to exist.
  - AnimalMuppet 8y ago
    You're not just "giving people a head's up". You're also making a claim that IanDrake is, essentially, being dishonest. You want to point out (what you perceive to be) the actual results of someone's position? Fine. Feel free to do so. But don't claim that they believe those results but are unwilling to say so. You don't have the knowledge to make that claim, so you are being dishonest when you do so.
    - s73v3r_ 8y ago
      "You're not just "giving people a head's up". You're also making a claim that IanDrake is, essentially, being dishonest." Because I believe they are, if not just with us, then with themselves. "You want to point out (what you perceive to be) the actual results of someone's position? Fine. Feel free to do so. But don't claim that they believe those results but are unwilling to say so. You don't have the knowledge to make that claim, so you are being dishonest when you do so." And I disagree. Those outcomes are very, very obvious. If you do not realize those outcomes, then you are being dishonest.
      - IanDrake 8y ago
        Yeah, except that in reality there have been and still are working examples of people voluntarily being able to join unions. So I’m not sure why you’re so sure you’re right when the real world contradicts your predictions.
IanDrake 8y ago
If a union is so good then a company would not be able to hire anyone outside of the union because everyone would want to be in the union. It’s a voluntary system. Anything else is just tyranny.

Please don't put words in others' mouth, and please don't ascribe bad motives to posters (even if they disagree with you). Even if that's how you normally post, don't do it here.

s73v3r_ 8y ago
I fail to see why it's a bad thing to give people heads up to what the actual outcomes of their positions lead to. Saying that employers should be able to not hire union workers means that they won't hire any union workers, meaning that the union won't be able to exist.
- AnimalMuppet 8y ago
  You're not just "giving people a head's up". You're also making a claim that IanDrake is, essentially, being dishonest. You want to point out (what you perceive to be) the actual results of someone's position? Fine. Feel free to do so. But don't claim that they believe those results but are unwilling to say so. You don't have the knowledge to make that claim, so you are being dishonest when you do so.
  - s73v3r_ 8y ago
    "You're not just "giving people a head's up". You're also making a claim that IanDrake is, essentially, being dishonest." Because I believe they are, if not just with us, then with themselves. "You want to point out (what you perceive to be) the actual results of someone's position? Fine. Feel free to do so. But don't claim that they believe those results but are unwilling to say so. You don't have the knowledge to make that claim, so you are being dishonest when you do so." And I disagree. Those outcomes are very, very obvious. If you do not realize those outcomes, then you are being dishonest.
    - IanDrake 8y ago
      Yeah, except that in reality there have been and still are working examples of people voluntarily being able to join unions. So I’m not sure why you’re so sure you’re right when the real world contradicts your predictions.

IanDrake 8y ago

If a union is so good then a company would not be able to hire anyone outside of the union because everyone would want to be in the union. It’s a voluntary system. Anything else is just tyranny.