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How do you feel about those who honestly do not want to work in a union? Come on, you can't answer that question without first knowing why they don't want to w

by dfxm12 8y ago

How do you feel about those who honestly do not want to work in a union? Come on, you can't answer that question without first knowing why they don't want to work in a union. If that's the best response you can come up, you're being disingenuous.

rconti 8y ago
I'm not, though. Maybe the person doesn't want to pay dues. Maybe they don't want to work in an environment where they perceive that individual talent/effort is not rewarded. Maybe they're afraid it'll be a bureaucratic nightmare of un-fireable employees? These are the best reasons I can come up with, not knowing much about unionized environments. And it seems the answer to all of them is the same -- tough luck, find somewhere else to work. If you're calling me disingenuous, fine -- I assume that means you have better questions or better answers, and I'd appreciate hearing them.
- dfxm12 8y ago
  These are the best reasons I can come up with, not knowing much about unionized environments. I suggest you learn about a topic before jumping to conclusions. I don't have much to add to the responses all over this thread, none of which are "tough luck, find another job", btw.
- ilikehurdles 8y ago
  Would that person still want the same job with lower pay and fewer benefits? Because that’s what the union is providing.
  - rconti 8y ago
    Isn't the entire point of talking about this that it's not a sure thing? In my wife's case, the pay and benefits are roughly on par with what she's gotten at her previous non-unionized gigs. Some things are better, some things are worse. Of course, every environment is different, but there's no way to prove/disprove what's related to the union and what's not. And, to play devil's advocate, you can't say for sure that her NON-union jobs' pay and benefits weren't indirectly affected by having to compete with unionized jobs (although they're the minority in her industry)

by dfxm12 8y ago

rconti 8y ago

I'm not, though. Maybe the person doesn't want to pay dues. Maybe they don't want to work in an environment where they perceive that individual talent/effort is not rewarded. Maybe they're afraid it'll be a bureaucratic nightmare of un-fireable employees? These are the best reasons I can come up with, not knowing much about unionized environments. And it seems the answer to all of them is the same -- tough luck, find somewhere else to work. If you're calling me disingenuous, fine -- I assume that means you have better questions or better answers, and I'd appreciate hearing them.

dfxm12 8y ago
These are the best reasons I can come up with, not knowing much about unionized environments. I suggest you learn about a topic before jumping to conclusions. I don't have much to add to the responses all over this thread, none of which are "tough luck, find another job", btw.
ilikehurdles 8y ago
Would that person still want the same job with lower pay and fewer benefits? Because that’s what the union is providing.
- rconti 8y ago
  Isn't the entire point of talking about this that it's not a sure thing? In my wife's case, the pay and benefits are roughly on par with what she's gotten at her previous non-unionized gigs. Some things are better, some things are worse. Of course, every environment is different, but there's no way to prove/disprove what's related to the union and what's not. And, to play devil's advocate, you can't say for sure that her NON-union jobs' pay and benefits weren't indirectly affected by having to compete with unionized jobs (although they're the minority in her industry)