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I disagree. I argue that the Chinese government and the one I live under (in the United States) could hardly be more different. The government of China was esta
by PredictorY 8y ago
I disagree. I argue that the Chinese government and the one I live under (in the United States) could hardly be more different. The government of China was established for the benefit of the rulers (the Party). The American Founding Fathers said "Government is like fire: It makes a good servant, but a poor master." Our Constitution was written primarily to constrain the government.
Only two countries have gotten to 1 billion inhabitants, and I'd say that the government of India is much less callous or calculating than that of China.
- fao_ 8y agoFounding intention does not matter. Modern Russia was founded on the idea that all people are equal and that workers should be respected, that doesn't mean that that happens. The founders of Communist Russia intended that the state be dissolved by 1980, that it be replaced by councils that work together in coöperation, such that everyone has a say. Did that bear fruit? No. Did the founding fathers intend for the United States to spy on every single one of their citizens? No. Does it happen? Yes. Did the founding fathers intend for the state to be able to detain foreigners of the US indefinitely without trial? No. The patriot act allows it, however. You cannot judge a country by founding principals and safeguards alone, they are easy to repeal and change; you can only judge a country on the current legislature and how much the current Constitution constrains the government.
- PredictorY 8y agoI feel that this discussion has wandered. Are you arguing that the Chinese government is concerned with false positives in their social scoring system?
- fao_ 8y agoI'm arguing that the US and China are closer than you might think with regards to the goals of surveillance and tyrrany. The difference in founding intentions are irrelevant.