> I actually feel we're all a bit poorer as a result of DOS+Windows.... Agreed... I tend to think MS did a very good job incorporating a grab bag of ideas int

> I actually feel we're all a bit poorer as a result of DOS+Windows.... Agreed... I tend to think MS did a very good job incorporating a grab bag of ideas into their products, but a very poor job doing the work to really make it all fit together. Just one recent example of many is this bit on getting a status bar display of cursor location working in Notepad: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20180521-00/?p=98795 https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20180521-00/?p=... tl;dr - The edit control, around for over thirty years, has no way to listen for cursor movement events. So they (meaning Microsoft itself) had to work around it by using a hack built around the accessibility API's... > Didn't know of that. The only reason I knew it is that years ago, after moving from Houston Philly, one of my first consulting clients was down the street from a shuttered 'GMT Microelectronics' factory (and some of my colleagues mentioned something about a water contamination issue). I looked a bit further into it and it turned out that 'GMT Microelectronics' was the successor of MOS Technologies, and the plant had been shut down due to leakage of basement chemical tanks into the water table. Ironic that I wound up down the street from the remains of the company that had made such an impact on my early life and eventual career. To close the Apple/Commodore link, it was also engineers behind the Commodore SID that spun off another local area company - Ensoniq. Apple then chose an Ensoniq sound chip for the IIgs. There is thus a very direct lineage between the audio capabilities of the C64 and those of the IIgs. (And in the PC space, Tseng Labs of ET4000 fame was also local... and there's also Eniac, and the Eckert-Maunchly Computer Corporation lineage that wound up as Unisys. There really is a lot of local computer history around here.)