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"Chinese citizens signing up for the wildly popular multiplayer shooter game Counter Strike Global Offensive must register using both their national ID and Sesa

by Canada 8y ago

"Chinese citizens signing up for the wildly popular multiplayer shooter game Counter Strike Global Offensive must register using both their national ID and Sesame Credit score, according to state media outlet CGTN, and anyone caught using cheating software like ‘Aimbots’ which ensure perfect aim will have their Sesame Credit scores deducted, potentially affecting their real-life ability to get loans." Valve knowingly allows its cheat countermeasures to impact human lives in this way? I'd like to hear their response to this claim.

rasz 8y ago
PC bang/internet cafes in China are filled with computers preloaded with aimbots. Every new multiplayer game maker quickly learns to isolate this part of the world with separate server pool, or face sale decline as people leave your game and never come back.
TrainedMonkey 8y ago
Cheating in online competitive gaming is a form of lying. I play CSGO myself and it is extremely frustrating when people aimbot or wallhack. Based on personal experience playing against aimbot is like banging head against the wall, it definitely lowers my quality of life. Moreover a single person with aimbot can depopulate entire server pretty quickly. A person chooses to negatively affect quality of life of 10-20 other people. I can't find a word to describe that behavior other than asshole. With that in mind the issue can be reframed to - should assholes have a lower credit score? I do not know. I certainly do not agree with Chinese methods, because I think positive reinforcement works better. With that said, I am curious what long term effect Chinese population hacking will have on their society. On using positive reinforcement to shape the society. Imagine a city park where lights pulse green when someone picks up a piece of trash from the ground and throws it away into the trash can. Or a park that remembers people that do not litter and greets them with a positive reinforcement signal when they walk in.
- ocdtrekkie 8y ago
  In that vein, Overwatch announced a new endorsement system yesterday, where people can mark others for "sportmanship", "good teammate", and "shot-caller", and they're going to highlight players who regularly get them. https://mic.com/articles/189690/online-shooter-overwatch-to-get-new-endorsement-system-encouraging-players-to-be-less-toxic#.Bl71iJCTe https://mic.com/articles/189690/online-shooter-overwatch-to-... They've been getting more and more requests for ways to penalize bad players, so I thought this was an interesting direction to push for features. A little more sophisticated that the general "commend a teammate" feature that was more or less just an upvote.
- red75prime 8y ago
  > when someone picks up a piece of trash from the ground and throws it away into the trash can. Reminds me of the Cobra effect. Cause trouble, fix it - unlimited positive reinforcement.
- dqpb 8y ago
  > Or a park that remembers people that do not litter and greets them with a positive reinforcement signal when they walk in. People who litter will have points deducted from their score and they'll no longer be allowed in parks. Unless they have money of course. "Donating to charity" can increase your score, so the rich will be able to whatever the fuck they want and the poor will lose access to parks. > playing against aimbot is like banging head against the wall, it definitely lowers my quality of life Some friendly advice from a fellow human - go take a nice long walk in a park. Enjoy the fresh air and sunshine, while you still can.
  - TrainedMonkey 8y ago
    > People who litter will have points deducted from their score and they'll no longer be allowed in parks. Unless they have money of course. "Donating to charity" can increase your score, so the rich will be able to whatever the fuck they want and the poor will lose access to parks. The whole point of the above comment was, in opposition of Chinese system, to only provide positive interactions. The surveillance genie is out of the bag and there is no going back. For better or for worse cameras are everywhere, it is only a matter of time until there is AI watching most of them. The traditional system is based heavily on punishment, so it does not take a lot of imagination to extend it to the automated enforcement. Indeed one of the worst possible outcomes is when your karma is directly tied into your banking account. In that world the rich have nearly unlimited indulgences. I was trying to imagine a world where the technology is used to provide positive feedback instead of punishments. > Some friendly advice from a fellow human - go take a nice long walk in a park. Enjoy the fresh air and sunshine, while you still can. I do that quite often, but every once in a while I want some variety such as competitive games.
  - lifeformed 8y ago
    > go take a nice long walk in a park. Enjoy the fresh air and sunshine, while you still can. What if the park is polluted with litter? The point is that people can degrade your quality of life in many places, even if it's as "trivial" as leisure.
    - ishjoh 8y ago
- dsfyu404ed 8y ago
  The effect of a lower credit score in this case is disproportionately large compared to the impact of the assholeness.
- function_seven 8y ago
  > Or a park that remembers people that do not litter and greets them with a positive reinforcement signal when they walk in. Sounds like a scene from a dystopian movie set in the future. Like a park in a city where the populace has lost its soul and everything is sterile and white and hopeless. I would vandalize that positive reinforcement robot with some choice Newspeak words of my own.
  - ASalazarMX 8y ago
    CITIZEN: OUR AUTOMATIC TEXT ANALYSIS HAS DETECTED INTENTION OF VANDALISM AND YOUR REPUTATION WAS LOWERED 50 POINTS. YOU ARE NO LONGER ALLOWED TO ENTER PUBLIC PARKS. IF YOUR REPUTATION FALLS BELOW ZERO YOU WILL BE ENCOURAGED TOWARDS THE NEAREST CITIZEN ENHANCEMENT CENTER. YOUR REMAINING REPUTATION IS 42.

by Canada 8y ago

rasz 8y ago

PC bang/internet cafes in China are filled with computers preloaded with aimbots. Every new multiplayer game maker quickly learns to isolate this part of the world with separate server pool, or face sale decline as people leave your game and never come back.

TrainedMonkey 8y ago

Cheating in online competitive gaming is a form of lying. I play CSGO myself and it is extremely frustrating when people aimbot or wallhack. Based on personal experience playing against aimbot is like banging head against the wall, it definitely lowers my quality of life. Moreover a single person with aimbot can depopulate entire server pretty quickly. A person chooses to negatively affect quality of life of 10-20 other people. I can't find a word to describe that behavior other than asshole. With that in mind the issue can be reframed to - should assholes have a lower credit score? I do not know. I certainly do not agree with Chinese methods, because I think positive reinforcement works better. With that said, I am curious what long term effect Chinese population hacking will have on their society. On using positive reinforcement to shape the society. Imagine a city park where lights pulse green when someone picks up a piece of trash from the ground and throws it away into the trash can. Or a park that remembers people that do not litter and greets them with a positive reinforcement signal when they walk in.

ocdtrekkie 8y ago
In that vein, Overwatch announced a new endorsement system yesterday, where people can mark others for "sportmanship", "good teammate", and "shot-caller", and they're going to highlight players who regularly get them. https://mic.com/articles/189690/online-shooter-overwatch-to-get-new-endorsement-system-encouraging-players-to-be-less-toxic#.Bl71iJCTe https://mic.com/articles/189690/online-shooter-overwatch-to-... They've been getting more and more requests for ways to penalize bad players, so I thought this was an interesting direction to push for features. A little more sophisticated that the general "commend a teammate" feature that was more or less just an upvote.
red75prime 8y ago
> when someone picks up a piece of trash from the ground and throws it away into the trash can. Reminds me of the Cobra effect. Cause trouble, fix it - unlimited positive reinforcement.
dqpb 8y ago
> Or a park that remembers people that do not litter and greets them with a positive reinforcement signal when they walk in. People who litter will have points deducted from their score and they'll no longer be allowed in parks. Unless they have money of course. "Donating to charity" can increase your score, so the rich will be able to whatever the fuck they want and the poor will lose access to parks. > playing against aimbot is like banging head against the wall, it definitely lowers my quality of life Some friendly advice from a fellow human - go take a nice long walk in a park. Enjoy the fresh air and sunshine, while you still can.
- TrainedMonkey 8y ago
  > People who litter will have points deducted from their score and they'll no longer be allowed in parks. Unless they have money of course. "Donating to charity" can increase your score, so the rich will be able to whatever the fuck they want and the poor will lose access to parks. The whole point of the above comment was, in opposition of Chinese system, to only provide positive interactions. The surveillance genie is out of the bag and there is no going back. For better or for worse cameras are everywhere, it is only a matter of time until there is AI watching most of them. The traditional system is based heavily on punishment, so it does not take a lot of imagination to extend it to the automated enforcement. Indeed one of the worst possible outcomes is when your karma is directly tied into your banking account. In that world the rich have nearly unlimited indulgences. I was trying to imagine a world where the technology is used to provide positive feedback instead of punishments. > Some friendly advice from a fellow human - go take a nice long walk in a park. Enjoy the fresh air and sunshine, while you still can. I do that quite often, but every once in a while I want some variety such as competitive games.
- lifeformed 8y ago
  > go take a nice long walk in a park. Enjoy the fresh air and sunshine, while you still can. What if the park is polluted with litter? The point is that people can degrade your quality of life in many places, even if it's as "trivial" as leisure.
  - ishjoh 8y ago
dsfyu404ed 8y ago
The effect of a lower credit score in this case is disproportionately large compared to the impact of the assholeness.
function_seven 8y ago
> Or a park that remembers people that do not litter and greets them with a positive reinforcement signal when they walk in. Sounds like a scene from a dystopian movie set in the future. Like a park in a city where the populace has lost its soul and everything is sterile and white and hopeless. I would vandalize that positive reinforcement robot with some choice Newspeak words of my own.
- ASalazarMX 8y ago
  CITIZEN: OUR AUTOMATIC TEXT ANALYSIS HAS DETECTED INTENTION OF VANDALISM AND YOUR REPUTATION WAS LOWERED 50 POINTS. YOU ARE NO LONGER ALLOWED TO ENTER PUBLIC PARKS. IF YOUR REPUTATION FALLS BELOW ZERO YOU WILL BE ENCOURAGED TOWARDS THE NEAREST CITIZEN ENHANCEMENT CENTER. YOUR REMAINING REPUTATION IS 42.