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Are you not familiar with the rampant regulatory capture in the US? Changing law and manipulating markets often go hand in hand. Corporations exist to benefit

Are you not familiar with the rampant regulatory capture in the US? Changing law and manipulating markets often go hand in hand. Corporations exist to benefit the wealthy mostly. Schools are absurdly expensive and result in something like indentured servitude. What about high frequency trading? Things work the way they do by the choice of those in power, not by some economic imperative. That's an excuse, IMO.

jeffreyrogers 8y ago
This doesn't square with my experience. HFT reduces transaction costs for market participants. You can see this in the narrowing of bid/ask spreads from the early 2000s on. Corporations exist for many reasons, but I wouldn't say benefiting the wealthy is the primary reason. More important reasons seem to be: limiting liability for owners, formalizing ownership structures so that owners can benefit in proportion to their role in the business, and simplifying tax and accounting issues. I agree that the growth in regulation has negative consequences and that the education system is largely ineffective, but I think these are unintended consequences rather than the result of conscious manipulation by powerful people and organizations.
- crdoconnor 8y ago
  >HFT reduces transaction costs for market participants. You can see this in the narrowing of bid/ask spreads If HFT were a net positive for market participants then those same participants wouldn't be fleeing to dark pools in an attempt to avoid them.
  - jeffreyrogers 8y ago
    They go to dark pools because they are less transparent and it's easier to sell large blocks of shares without making a large price impact (in theory at least).
    - crdoconnor 8y ago
      Exactly. I believe the term HFT uses for exploiting that is "spearing whales".
- smolder 8y ago
  Capitalism primarily benefits capital holders, and you don't think one of its central constructs serves that purpose? You don't think people with [absurdly concentrated] power exercise it to help themselves, as rational actors? My understanding isn't without nuance, nor am I trying to claim I have a replacement system. I'm just being intellectually honest about these elephants in the room.

jeffreyrogers 8y ago

This doesn't square with my experience. HFT reduces transaction costs for market participants. You can see this in the narrowing of bid/ask spreads from the early 2000s on. Corporations exist for many reasons, but I wouldn't say benefiting the wealthy is the primary reason. More important reasons seem to be: limiting liability for owners, formalizing ownership structures so that owners can benefit in proportion to their role in the business, and simplifying tax and accounting issues. I agree that the growth in regulation has negative consequences and that the education system is largely ineffective, but I think these are unintended consequences rather than the result of conscious manipulation by powerful people and organizations.

crdoconnor 8y ago
>HFT reduces transaction costs for market participants. You can see this in the narrowing of bid/ask spreads If HFT were a net positive for market participants then those same participants wouldn't be fleeing to dark pools in an attempt to avoid them.
- jeffreyrogers 8y ago
  They go to dark pools because they are less transparent and it's easier to sell large blocks of shares without making a large price impact (in theory at least).
  - crdoconnor 8y ago
    Exactly. I believe the term HFT uses for exploiting that is "spearing whales".
smolder 8y ago
Capitalism primarily benefits capital holders, and you don't think one of its central constructs serves that purpose? You don't think people with [absurdly concentrated] power exercise it to help themselves, as rational actors? My understanding isn't without nuance, nor am I trying to claim I have a replacement system. I'm just being intellectually honest about these elephants in the room.