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Russia 1918, France in the revolution for example. Also what happens all over Europe with right wing parties tearing apart the EU based on fear created in part

Russia 1918, France in the revolution for example. Also what happens all over Europe with right wing parties tearing apart the EU based on fear created in part by inequality

paulpauper 8y ago
over Europe with right wing parties tearing apart the EU based on fear created in part by inequality that is due to concerns over immigration , not wealth inequality Russia 1918 this had to do with famine and massive unemployment as a consequence of ww1, not merely wealth inequality. America is a long way from being as bad as Russia was in 1918. The Great Depression is far worse than anything now, yet there was no civil unrest in America. French revolution Wealth inequality was just a single factor, all. France was in financial crisis due to debt from various wars, causing high taxes and food shortages, again, which are problems America does not have.
- realusername 8y ago
  > that is due to concerns over immigration , not wealth inequality I don't think that's true, at least not in France, the regions voting massively far right are the old industrial regions abandoned by the globalisation, not the ones where the immigration is actually going.
  - mikk14 8y ago
    In fact, there is a _negative_ correlation between Leave vote in Brexit and the proportion of immigrants living in the area: http://theconversation.com/hard-evidence-how-areas-with-low-immigration-voted-mainly-for-brexit-62138 http://theconversation.com/hard-evidence-how-areas-with-low-...
- kermittd 8y ago
  Regarding France. The issue of anti-immigration may very well be caused by a poor economy and lack of opportunity. Did Hitler come to power because the innate hatred of jews the Germans had or because of a garbage economy?
- devonkim 8y ago
  Literally repeating past failures (and successes!) is rare throughout history so direct comparisons are not necessarily going to be useful for determining likelihoods of future events. In modern America, we don’t have food shortages but we do have housing shortages resulting in high living costs, different health problems than the early 20th century folks, lack of jobs for the lesser / inappropriately educated, high consumer debt, student loans, etc. that contribute to the misery index. The misery, however, gets offset by the sheer glut of passive entertainment leisure options the world has never seen before in history. After all, who cares if we’re living longer if we’re feeling worse throughout it? Not saying things are worse than the Depression at all, just saying we’re always going to be comparing apples to oranges as we go from different historical periods so looking at primarily economic factors may have limited utility even in looking at sociopolitical problems.

Russia 1918, France in the revolution for example. Also what happens all over Europe with right wing parties tearing apart the EU based on fear created in part by inequality

paulpauper 8y ago

over Europe with right wing parties tearing apart the EU based on fear created in part by inequality that is due to concerns over immigration , not wealth inequality Russia 1918 this had to do with famine and massive unemployment as a consequence of ww1, not merely wealth inequality. America is a long way from being as bad as Russia was in 1918. The Great Depression is far worse than anything now, yet there was no civil unrest in America. French revolution Wealth inequality was just a single factor, all. France was in financial crisis due to debt from various wars, causing high taxes and food shortages, again, which are problems America does not have.

realusername 8y ago
> that is due to concerns over immigration , not wealth inequality I don't think that's true, at least not in France, the regions voting massively far right are the old industrial regions abandoned by the globalisation, not the ones where the immigration is actually going.
- mikk14 8y ago
  In fact, there is a _negative_ correlation between Leave vote in Brexit and the proportion of immigrants living in the area: http://theconversation.com/hard-evidence-how-areas-with-low-immigration-voted-mainly-for-brexit-62138 http://theconversation.com/hard-evidence-how-areas-with-low-...
kermittd 8y ago
Regarding France. The issue of anti-immigration may very well be caused by a poor economy and lack of opportunity. Did Hitler come to power because the innate hatred of jews the Germans had or because of a garbage economy?
devonkim 8y ago
Literally repeating past failures (and successes!) is rare throughout history so direct comparisons are not necessarily going to be useful for determining likelihoods of future events. In modern America, we don’t have food shortages but we do have housing shortages resulting in high living costs, different health problems than the early 20th century folks, lack of jobs for the lesser / inappropriately educated, high consumer debt, student loans, etc. that contribute to the misery index. The misery, however, gets offset by the sheer glut of passive entertainment leisure options the world has never seen before in history. After all, who cares if we’re living longer if we’re feeling worse throughout it? Not saying things are worse than the Depression at all, just saying we’re always going to be comparing apples to oranges as we go from different historical periods so looking at primarily economic factors may have limited utility even in looking at sociopolitical problems.