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I would be surprised if terrorists killed more people. That isn't to say that terrorism should be taken lightly because they could get "lucky" and kill lots of

I would be surprised if terrorists killed more people. That isn't to say that terrorism should be taken lightly because they could get "lucky" and kill lots of people. While a scary issue, due to the proximity of the US (minus local terrorists like the alt-right groups) we are largely shielded from it. Hell drunk drivers kill passengers and those in other vehicles every year far more than terrorism has minus in 2001. I wonder how many police officer killings are due to "suicide by cop".

TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
Even including 2001 the drunk drivers are winning by a factor of about 3. September 11 2001 terrorist attacks: 2,996 dead.[1] Here's some data for the previous few years[2], and 2016: In 2016, 10,497 people died in alcohol-impaired driving crashes, accounting for 28% of all traffic-related deaths in the United States.[3] 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_September_11_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_September_11... 2. https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/812350 https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/... 3 . https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/impaired-drv_factsheet.html https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/impa...
- candu 8y ago
  xkcd, "Driving Cars": https://xkcd.com/1990/ https://xkcd.com/1990/
bigiain 8y ago
> I wonder how many police officer killings are due to "suicide by cop". That wouldn't even be a thing if they weren't so trigger happy and unaccountable. How did it ever even get to be a thing?
- Shivetya 8y ago
  Television and in some movies. don't under estimate the influence that has on some who want to harm themselves but lack the conviction to do themselves in without harming others. The idea that cops are trigger happy is ignorant, if that were even remotely true the number of shootings and deaths by cop would be so high as to not warrant news stories. As in, it would be common place. Fortunately we are far from it being commonplace that shootings and even weapon discharges by cops are news worthy. Yes we have bad cops just like we have bad actors in many other occupations. The difference is that we don't put people in other occupations in harms way on a day to day basis. that isn't to say being a cop is the most hazardous job you can have, work place deaths are higher for many other fields. We also cannot say that cops cause an unreasonable number of deaths by their actions, if anything we need to account for all the deaths they prevent by their training and mere presence.
- brian_cloutier 8y ago
  Okay, I'm all for trying to reduce how often police preemptively escalate by entering homes with guns drawn, but cops shouldn't be blamed for trying to save their own lives. Suicide by cop often involves drawing a gun on said cop. You don't need to be trigger happy or unaccountable to shoot someone who's pretending to try to shoot you.
  - Brockenstein 8y ago
    Cops seem to be really good at saving their own lives at the expense of civilians. In the rest of the developed world police seem to be pretty good at it without slaying unarmed people left and right.
  - eeZah7Ux 8y ago
    > shouldn't be blamed for trying to save their own lives In various other countries they cannot draw their guns or even carry them. Just like bodyguards protecting their customers, they are paid to protect citizens - even by risking their lives - that's why they get paid.
- candu 8y ago
  The steady militarization of police forces, a general acceptance / normalization of gun usage in the United States, an internal culture that prioritizes solidarity over accountability, a complete and utter failure to train officers in de-escalation or crisis management, and the blanket use of police as front-line responders for situations that would better be handled by medical / social work crews?
- danielvf 8y ago
  I know four police officers. One works a desk job now, one just moved to work a crime free affluent New England town. As for the other two on the street. In the last two years, one had a shotgun pointed at his face from three feet away by an angry drunk man carrying two guns and four hundred rounds of ammo. (Nobody ended up hurt.) The other spent a month in the hospital after being shot, two other officers with him were also shot and wounded, and a fourth officer there killed. This isn’t to say that there aren’t officers or even entire departments that are too trigger happy, but that many places in the US fundamentaly require armed officers ready to shoot someone to stay alive. The typical playbook for Suicide by Cop involves involves attempting a deadly attack on a police officer. In a world with perfect police in which police officers only used deadly force when threatened with deadly force, this would still result the attacker being shot. So while there are real problems with policing in America, I don’t see the popularity of suicide by cop being the result of trigger happy police shooting innocent people.
paradigmshiv 8y ago
> I wonder how many police officer killings are due to "suicide by cop". I don't think this is really relevant, because "suicide by cop" is a great reason why police should not take the lead in responding to suicide threats. You never hear about "suicide by paramedic" or "suicide by social worker."

TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago

Even including 2001 the drunk drivers are winning by a factor of about 3. September 11 2001 terrorist attacks: 2,996 dead.[1] Here's some data for the previous few years[2], and 2016: In 2016, 10,497 people died in alcohol-impaired driving crashes, accounting for 28% of all traffic-related deaths in the United States.[3] 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_September_11_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_September_11... 2. https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/812350 https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/... 3 . https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/impaired-drv_factsheet.html https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/impa...

candu 8y ago
xkcd, "Driving Cars": https://xkcd.com/1990/ https://xkcd.com/1990/

bigiain 8y ago

> I wonder how many police officer killings are due to "suicide by cop". That wouldn't even be a thing if they weren't so trigger happy and unaccountable. How did it ever even get to be a thing?

Shivetya 8y ago
Television and in some movies. don't under estimate the influence that has on some who want to harm themselves but lack the conviction to do themselves in without harming others. The idea that cops are trigger happy is ignorant, if that were even remotely true the number of shootings and deaths by cop would be so high as to not warrant news stories. As in, it would be common place. Fortunately we are far from it being commonplace that shootings and even weapon discharges by cops are news worthy. Yes we have bad cops just like we have bad actors in many other occupations. The difference is that we don't put people in other occupations in harms way on a day to day basis. that isn't to say being a cop is the most hazardous job you can have, work place deaths are higher for many other fields. We also cannot say that cops cause an unreasonable number of deaths by their actions, if anything we need to account for all the deaths they prevent by their training and mere presence.
brian_cloutier 8y ago
Okay, I'm all for trying to reduce how often police preemptively escalate by entering homes with guns drawn, but cops shouldn't be blamed for trying to save their own lives. Suicide by cop often involves drawing a gun on said cop. You don't need to be trigger happy or unaccountable to shoot someone who's pretending to try to shoot you.
- Brockenstein 8y ago
  Cops seem to be really good at saving their own lives at the expense of civilians. In the rest of the developed world police seem to be pretty good at it without slaying unarmed people left and right.
- eeZah7Ux 8y ago
  > shouldn't be blamed for trying to save their own lives In various other countries they cannot draw their guns or even carry them. Just like bodyguards protecting their customers, they are paid to protect citizens - even by risking their lives - that's why they get paid.
candu 8y ago
The steady militarization of police forces, a general acceptance / normalization of gun usage in the United States, an internal culture that prioritizes solidarity over accountability, a complete and utter failure to train officers in de-escalation or crisis management, and the blanket use of police as front-line responders for situations that would better be handled by medical / social work crews?
danielvf 8y ago
I know four police officers. One works a desk job now, one just moved to work a crime free affluent New England town. As for the other two on the street. In the last two years, one had a shotgun pointed at his face from three feet away by an angry drunk man carrying two guns and four hundred rounds of ammo. (Nobody ended up hurt.) The other spent a month in the hospital after being shot, two other officers with him were also shot and wounded, and a fourth officer there killed. This isn’t to say that there aren’t officers or even entire departments that are too trigger happy, but that many places in the US fundamentaly require armed officers ready to shoot someone to stay alive. The typical playbook for Suicide by Cop involves involves attempting a deadly attack on a police officer. In a world with perfect police in which police officers only used deadly force when threatened with deadly force, this would still result the attacker being shot. So while there are real problems with policing in America, I don’t see the popularity of suicide by cop being the result of trigger happy police shooting innocent people.

paradigmshiv 8y ago

> I wonder how many police officer killings are due to "suicide by cop". I don't think this is really relevant, because "suicide by cop" is a great reason why police should not take the lead in responding to suicide threats. You never hear about "suicide by paramedic" or "suicide by social worker."