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The last startup I was involved in, the guy who was running it talked to the lawyers and got them to waive a good chunk of the retainer fees when it sank

debtscrewed 16y ago
That's good to hear. I'd like to pay this lawyer in full for his services (retainer minus un-used retainer balance). I don't like screwing people over, even if they're expecting it to be a percentage of their clients that do that. I don't want to be in that percentage.
- eli 16y ago
  That's admirable, but if you can't pay, you can't pay. It's not worth selling organs over.
- jacquesm 16y ago
  Let me correct a misconception here, you are not screwing people over, customers having payment issues is a risk of doing business, they all decided just how much debt they let you get in to. If you had set out to create this situation on purpose that would be screwing people over, now all that there is left to do is to shut down as orderly as you can and to have everybody absorb an appropriate part of the loss.
  - netcan 16y ago
    To take that further. Don't be that percentage by not acting like them. Don't hide or promise things you can't deliver. You go to them. Lay it out and work something out. Everyone takes risks doing people. Inability to pay is one. Bad people is another. The first is usually rarer and more manageable. The second is not so bad. You can avoid being in the second category. *Mixergy interviewed a bankrupcy lawyer a while ago. Maybe there's something useful for you in it. One useful thing I remembered: Discounted debt is usually taxable. Be careful you are not caught off guard. http://mixergy.com/russell-demott-interview/ http://mixergy.com/russell-demott-interview/
jacquesm 16y ago
That's what I would expect here as well. Lawers are - if anything - pretty realistic about plucking feathers from frogs, and they'll be happy enough to see something rather than nothing at all. After all, they might be your preferred contact the next time you strike out and perhaps succeed.

debtscrewed 16y ago

That's good to hear. I'd like to pay this lawyer in full for his services (retainer minus un-used retainer balance). I don't like screwing people over, even if they're expecting it to be a percentage of their clients that do that. I don't want to be in that percentage.

eli 16y ago
That's admirable, but if you can't pay, you can't pay. It's not worth selling organs over.
jacquesm 16y ago
Let me correct a misconception here, you are not screwing people over, customers having payment issues is a risk of doing business, they all decided just how much debt they let you get in to. If you had set out to create this situation on purpose that would be screwing people over, now all that there is left to do is to shut down as orderly as you can and to have everybody absorb an appropriate part of the loss.
- netcan 16y ago
  To take that further. Don't be that percentage by not acting like them. Don't hide or promise things you can't deliver. You go to them. Lay it out and work something out. Everyone takes risks doing people. Inability to pay is one. Bad people is another. The first is usually rarer and more manageable. The second is not so bad. You can avoid being in the second category. *Mixergy interviewed a bankrupcy lawyer a while ago. Maybe there's something useful for you in it. One useful thing I remembered: Discounted debt is usually taxable. Be careful you are not caught off guard. http://mixergy.com/russell-demott-interview/ http://mixergy.com/russell-demott-interview/

jacquesm 16y ago

That's what I would expect here as well. Lawers are - if anything - pretty realistic about plucking feathers from frogs, and they'll be happy enough to see something rather than nothing at all. After all, they might be your preferred contact the next time you strike out and perhaps succeed.