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From Damore: > the distribution of ... abilities of men and women differ in part due to biological causes The parent: > No he is not ["saying that women are

From Damore: > the distribution of ... abilities of men and women differ in part due to biological causes The parent: > No he is not ["saying that women are less qualified biologically"].

manfredo 8y ago
Can you point to where he claimed that this distribution makes women worse tech workers (as opposed to choosing to enter tech at a lower rate)? Unless Damore claims that this distribution makes women worse tech workers, then the parent comment's claim remains unsubstantiated.
- tdb7893 8y ago
  "As a corollary, if Googlers are only from the top of the curve, then this may cause us to have more men than other, less selective, tech companies." It's not tech in general but he says that women are less likely to be suited for a job at Google.
  - manfredo 8y ago
    Maybe it's because of flaky PDF search, maybe it's because I'm not using CTRL-F right, but I can't find that phrase in the memo: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-Ideological-Echo-Chamber.pdf https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-I... Edit: I dug up the Gizmodo article from 2017. This is the first public posting of the memo from what I read (in case the PDF I linked to above was edited seeing as it has 1.1 in the file name). I still can't find the phrase you're quoting: https://gizmodo.com/exclusive-heres-the-full-10-page-anti-diversity-screed-1797564320 https://gizmodo.com/exclusive-heres-the-full-10-page-anti-di...
    - anon12345690 8y ago
      its from the "higher variance among men" section here and quoted out of context: https://firedfortruth.com/2017/08/08/first-blog-post/ https://firedfortruth.com/2017/08/08/first-blog-post/
  - anon12345690 8y ago
    you keep quoting things out of context here, did you bother reading the entire thing? men have more at the extremes (more dumber and smarter) than women so only picking the smartest will lead to more men than women, here's the whole section ====> Higher variance among men Among most psychological characteristics, including IQ, populations of men have higher variance than women even when the average is the same: there are more men on both the top and the bottom of the curve. This may lead to more male CEOs and geniuses, but also more homeless males and school dropouts. This has likely evolved because individual males can have many children and are biologically disposable: populations are reproductively constrained by the number of its women, not men. The historically higher variance of outcome can also be seen in our genetics; we have twice as many female ancestors as male ancestors. As a corollary, if Googlers are only from the top of the curve, then this may cause us to have more men than other, less selective, tech companies.
weberc2 8y ago
That ellipsis in Damore’s quote is “preferences and”. If your interpretation depends on throwing away all of the context of the article (especially all of the nuance about population averages vs individuals) and parsing it down to a single word (“abilities”), then your interpretation is most likely incorrect.

From Damore: > the distribution of ... abilities of men and women differ in part due to biological causes The parent: > No he is not ["saying that women are less qualified biologically"].

manfredo 8y ago

Can you point to where he claimed that this distribution makes women worse tech workers (as opposed to choosing to enter tech at a lower rate)? Unless Damore claims that this distribution makes women worse tech workers, then the parent comment's claim remains unsubstantiated.

tdb7893 8y ago
"As a corollary, if Googlers are only from the top of the curve, then this may cause us to have more men than other, less selective, tech companies." It's not tech in general but he says that women are less likely to be suited for a job at Google.
- manfredo 8y ago
  Maybe it's because of flaky PDF search, maybe it's because I'm not using CTRL-F right, but I can't find that phrase in the memo: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-Ideological-Echo-Chamber.pdf https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-I... Edit: I dug up the Gizmodo article from 2017. This is the first public posting of the memo from what I read (in case the PDF I linked to above was edited seeing as it has 1.1 in the file name). I still can't find the phrase you're quoting: https://gizmodo.com/exclusive-heres-the-full-10-page-anti-diversity-screed-1797564320 https://gizmodo.com/exclusive-heres-the-full-10-page-anti-di...
  - anon12345690 8y ago
    its from the "higher variance among men" section here and quoted out of context: https://firedfortruth.com/2017/08/08/first-blog-post/ https://firedfortruth.com/2017/08/08/first-blog-post/
- anon12345690 8y ago
  you keep quoting things out of context here, did you bother reading the entire thing? men have more at the extremes (more dumber and smarter) than women so only picking the smartest will lead to more men than women, here's the whole section ====> Higher variance among men Among most psychological characteristics, including IQ, populations of men have higher variance than women even when the average is the same: there are more men on both the top and the bottom of the curve. This may lead to more male CEOs and geniuses, but also more homeless males and school dropouts. This has likely evolved because individual males can have many children and are biologically disposable: populations are reproductively constrained by the number of its women, not men. The historically higher variance of outcome can also be seen in our genetics; we have twice as many female ancestors as male ancestors. As a corollary, if Googlers are only from the top of the curve, then this may cause us to have more men than other, less selective, tech companies.

weberc2 8y ago

That ellipsis in Damore’s quote is “preferences and”. If your interpretation depends on throwing away all of the context of the article (especially all of the nuance about population averages vs individuals) and parsing it down to a single word (“abilities”), then your interpretation is most likely incorrect.