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Haha, is this treason yet?

briandear 8y ago
I my opinion, it’s very close. Providing data to a foreign intelligence service certainly meets the definition. Arguing that Huawei is not part of Chinese intelligence is like saying Air America was an airline for package tourists.
- spunker540 8y ago
  That's definitely false. You think when France or UK asks google for access to a terrorists' gmail account its treason?
- daveguy 8y ago
  To meet the definition of treason they would have to share it with an entity we are in open conflict with. It would be tough/impossible to prove that China meets the criteria. With all of the colluding with foreign governments going on lately there should probably be some law against providing information to a foreign intelligence agency. Maybe that falls in the category of "undeclared foreign agent".
  - briandear 8y ago
    I stand corrected. Thus, under that same standard, the claim that Donald Trump committed treason is also bogus since we aren’t in open conflict with Russia.
    - daveguy 8y ago
      True, but I don't think anyone is making a legal case against Trump and his campaign for treason. The case being made is for obstruction of justice and conspiracy to "obstruct the lawful functions of the United States government through fraud and deceit". Fortunately no one is above the law and Trump can't pardon himself for shooting Comey or commiting fraud and obstruction. We'll see what evidence Mueller has at the end of his investigation. The whole thing -- all the Russians and campaign members indicted may have nothing to do with Trump. But considering how much the Trump campaign has already lied about Russian contacts and how loudly Trump is squealing like a cowardly pig, I expect the result of the investigation will not be favorable for him.
- cjhopman 8y ago
  Is Google then guilty of treason for exposing user's data to the makers of QQ Browser?
cjhopman 8y ago
That's nonsense. Should they block access to facebook from the web browsers on those phones as well?

I my opinion, it’s very close. Providing data to a foreign intelligence service certainly meets the definition. Arguing that Huawei is not part of Chinese intelligence is like saying Air America was an airline for package tourists.

spunker540 8y ago
That's definitely false. You think when France or UK asks google for access to a terrorists' gmail account its treason?
daveguy 8y ago
To meet the definition of treason they would have to share it with an entity we are in open conflict with. It would be tough/impossible to prove that China meets the criteria. With all of the colluding with foreign governments going on lately there should probably be some law against providing information to a foreign intelligence agency. Maybe that falls in the category of "undeclared foreign agent".
- briandear 8y ago
  I stand corrected. Thus, under that same standard, the claim that Donald Trump committed treason is also bogus since we aren’t in open conflict with Russia.
  - daveguy 8y ago
    True, but I don't think anyone is making a legal case against Trump and his campaign for treason. The case being made is for obstruction of justice and conspiracy to "obstruct the lawful functions of the United States government through fraud and deceit". Fortunately no one is above the law and Trump can't pardon himself for shooting Comey or commiting fraud and obstruction. We'll see what evidence Mueller has at the end of his investigation. The whole thing -- all the Russians and campaign members indicted may have nothing to do with Trump. But considering how much the Trump campaign has already lied about Russian contacts and how loudly Trump is squealing like a cowardly pig, I expect the result of the investigation will not be favorable for him.
cjhopman 8y ago
Is Google then guilty of treason for exposing user's data to the makers of QQ Browser?

cjhopman 8y ago

That's nonsense. Should they block access to facebook from the web browsers on those phones as well?