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Let's link it to political diversity - Google clearly has a far stronger bias against conservatives than it does women or African Americans or the transgendered

Let's link it to political diversity - Google clearly has a far stronger bias against conservatives than it does women or African Americans or the transgendered.

ryan-allen 8y ago
Not a bad idea, 50/50 democrat and republican seems like a fair quota in the name of diversity.
- 6nf 8y ago
  Better add some religious quotas too: 70% Christian, 25% Atheists / non-regligious, 2% Jewish, 1% Islam, 1% Buddhists, 1% Hindus
krapp 8y ago
Being a woman, being African American or being transgendered aren't political ideologies, nor are they mutually opposed to conservative beliefs.
- PKop 8y ago
  Political demographics data would dispute that statement. Those groups you listed, especially in combination, are highly correlated with liberal voting. Is that something we should ignore? If white males correlate highly with conservative voting, relative to these other groups.. then, oh look, now we have hiring quotas that, in practice, divides strongly along political ideology whether you look at that way or not. Why do you think they call it "identity politics"? Because effectively aligning groups you've defined towards a political side, then applying all sorts of rules and policies in terms of those groups leads to... political power.
- toasterlovin 8y ago
  I don't think the person you were responding to was saying that those categories are political ideologies.
  - krapp 8y ago
    I mean, I don't think they accidentally implied a spectrum of "political diversity" with 'conservatives' on one side and minorities on the other. The implication, clearly, is that the presence of these in the workplace is primarily the result of liberal political bias.
    - toasterlovin 8y ago
      I think they were trying to make the point that there isn't any discrimination along the lines of race or sexual orientation at Google, but instead along the lines of political affiliation, so that's where Google should focus it's diversity efforts.
- tux1968 8y ago
  That's not the point. The point is there is an identifiable group that is underrepresented within Google. It doesn't matter why, it doesn't matter who, it doesn't matter if it's "political". All that matters is that it is clearly discriminatory.
  - wavefunction 8y ago
    Well before we take care of "conservatives" we should definitely take care of the quotas for the anarchists, socialists, georgists, monarchists, and nihilists who are far too under represented at Google. We'll get around to the conservatives some time in never.
    - tux1968 8y ago
      Indeed. The entire effort is so transparently biased and agenda laden it should be scrapped.
  - lern_too_spel 8y ago
    People with low IQs? People who are antagonistic?
    - tux1968 8y ago
      Do you honestly think that all conservatives have low IQ's? This kind of argument seems so counterproductive. For whatever it's worth, i've met a lot of highly intelligent people who happen to have different political beliefs than mine. They shouldn't have reduced opportunity, just because they are conservative.
      - lern_too_spel 8y ago
        There certainly are conservatives with high IQs, but if you draw the distribution of IQs among conservatives and compare it with the distribution of IQs for people who are not, you will find a far larger mass in the distribution of non-conservatives with high IQs to the right of 120. This will lead to the underrepresentation of conservatives in companies whose hiring practices prefer high IQ candidates. Damore conveniently made a plot for illustration.
- sheepmullet 8y ago
  > Being a woman, being African American or being transgendered aren't political ideologies, nor are they mutually opposed to conservative beliefs. That's true and a great point - the top tech companies discriminate against African American conservatives, transgender conservatives, and female conservatives too! Perhaps even more so!
tibbon 8y ago
I think you're missing the point. The issue is about disenfranchisement, barriers to employment, systemic power dynamics, historic (and current) laws biased against groups, etc. Those in the conservative party do not have a barrier to employment. There is no systemic power structure against them. There are no laws that hold them back. This country has a deep and obvious history of racism, sexism, transphobia, homophobia, etc. Being a conservative (or any political leaning) is not and should not be considered a Protected Class.
- PKop 8y ago
  You're basically couching your anti-conservative and anti-white viewpoints in flowery language. What laws are currently applying barriers to employment and disenfranchisement? We're literally commenting on a thread about one of the worlds biggest and richest tech companies applying barriers to white male employment (and by extension, if you look at the demographics of voting.. conservatives). You think it's ok because you view it as a redress of past sins. But whose? Anyone alive today? And what country does not have a history of those isms you've mentioned? That is excuse to install racist policies to tip scale against people simply based on their race or sex today.. in 2018?
  - tibbon 8y ago
    So... I'm a white dude, and I 100% think I could get a job at Google, Facebook, Amazon, etc and that none of these policies would hold me back. Why are you so afraid of these policies? If you're good you'll still get the job. I'm not anti-white. I'm white myself? I just recognize that being white has done me well in this country in tons of ways. There's plenty of state level (and some federal) laws holding back people from successful employment opportunities. Lots of people get great training and experience in the armed services for example! Oh, I'm sorry, you're transgendered and come from a small town where often the armed services is one of the few paths out? Well, no experience for you there! No GI bill training either. The historical effects of redlining for real estate is still affecting current generations of people as well, making financial situations harder for families which provides less opportunity. Married couples often have greater economic stability. I couldn't get married to another guy in most states until recently. The day same-sex marriage happened didn't automatically undo the years where that wasn't possible or recognized. Maternity leave in the US is atrocious compared to other countries. These companies are hiring huge amounts of people overall, and I'm really not worried about them preferring to hire underrepresented people when they have the opportunity. I'd still get the job. Why are you worried about it?
delbel 8y ago
they wouldn't do this because it would expose their anti-white anti-Christian anti-men toxic policy of racism, which is ironically called "diversity" -- anything but. I remember back in the dot com days when google was just a bunch of white boxes, everyone used Altavista and/or yahoo, and men and women of all races worked together in harmony under the pretense of professionalism and I sadden that an entire generation of millennium seem to be growing up not knowing how nice it once was. I remember one job with a Japanese manager, a women executive, a korean analyst, a black manager, and me -- a white guy, who was the best at perl and pulled all nighters to make sure the ERP loading scripts never failed and doing conference calls together at midnight on a Sunday with everyone.
empath75 8y ago
Conservatives isn’t a protected class, and neither are liberals for that matter.
- sheepmullet 8y ago
  Perhaps it should be - there is far more undue discrimination against them than most of the protected classes.
  - wavefunction 8y ago
    When I read "conservatives" say stuff like this, it makes me think they need some more experience with real oppression so they actually know what they're talking about.
  - kolpa 8y ago
    Let's start with a simple data check: What % of conservatives are murdered each year for their political orientation, and how what % of gay people each year are murdered for their sexual orientation?
    - sheepmullet 8y ago
      Why don't we start with a more relevant data check: What percentage of gay people are discriminated against at top tech companies in California vs what percentage of conservatives?
- slavak 8y ago
  In California it is! https://www.employmentattorneyla.com/blog/2017/06/what-are-californias-protected-classes-in-employment.shtml https://www.employmentattorneyla.com/blog/2017/06/what-are-c...
saalweachter 8y ago
Have you considered that conservatives may just have, on average, a lower preference to work at a large tech company than liberals?

Let's link it to political diversity - Google clearly has a far stronger bias against conservatives than it does women or African Americans or the transgendered.

ryan-allen 8y ago

Not a bad idea, 50/50 democrat and republican seems like a fair quota in the name of diversity.

6nf 8y ago
Better add some religious quotas too: 70% Christian, 25% Atheists / non-regligious, 2% Jewish, 1% Islam, 1% Buddhists, 1% Hindus

krapp 8y ago

Being a woman, being African American or being transgendered aren't political ideologies, nor are they mutually opposed to conservative beliefs.

PKop 8y ago
Political demographics data would dispute that statement. Those groups you listed, especially in combination, are highly correlated with liberal voting. Is that something we should ignore? If white males correlate highly with conservative voting, relative to these other groups.. then, oh look, now we have hiring quotas that, in practice, divides strongly along political ideology whether you look at that way or not. Why do you think they call it "identity politics"? Because effectively aligning groups you've defined towards a political side, then applying all sorts of rules and policies in terms of those groups leads to... political power.
toasterlovin 8y ago
I don't think the person you were responding to was saying that those categories are political ideologies.
- krapp 8y ago
  I mean, I don't think they accidentally implied a spectrum of "political diversity" with 'conservatives' on one side and minorities on the other. The implication, clearly, is that the presence of these in the workplace is primarily the result of liberal political bias.
  - toasterlovin 8y ago
    I think they were trying to make the point that there isn't any discrimination along the lines of race or sexual orientation at Google, but instead along the lines of political affiliation, so that's where Google should focus it's diversity efforts.
tux1968 8y ago
That's not the point. The point is there is an identifiable group that is underrepresented within Google. It doesn't matter why, it doesn't matter who, it doesn't matter if it's "political". All that matters is that it is clearly discriminatory.
- wavefunction 8y ago
  Well before we take care of "conservatives" we should definitely take care of the quotas for the anarchists, socialists, georgists, monarchists, and nihilists who are far too under represented at Google. We'll get around to the conservatives some time in never.
  - tux1968 8y ago
    Indeed. The entire effort is so transparently biased and agenda laden it should be scrapped.
- lern_too_spel 8y ago
  People with low IQs? People who are antagonistic?
  - tux1968 8y ago
    Do you honestly think that all conservatives have low IQ's? This kind of argument seems so counterproductive. For whatever it's worth, i've met a lot of highly intelligent people who happen to have different political beliefs than mine. They shouldn't have reduced opportunity, just because they are conservative.
    - lern_too_spel 8y ago
      There certainly are conservatives with high IQs, but if you draw the distribution of IQs among conservatives and compare it with the distribution of IQs for people who are not, you will find a far larger mass in the distribution of non-conservatives with high IQs to the right of 120. This will lead to the underrepresentation of conservatives in companies whose hiring practices prefer high IQ candidates. Damore conveniently made a plot for illustration.
sheepmullet 8y ago
> Being a woman, being African American or being transgendered aren't political ideologies, nor are they mutually opposed to conservative beliefs. That's true and a great point - the top tech companies discriminate against African American conservatives, transgender conservatives, and female conservatives too! Perhaps even more so!

tibbon 8y ago

I think you're missing the point. The issue is about disenfranchisement, barriers to employment, systemic power dynamics, historic (and current) laws biased against groups, etc. Those in the conservative party do not have a barrier to employment. There is no systemic power structure against them. There are no laws that hold them back. This country has a deep and obvious history of racism, sexism, transphobia, homophobia, etc. Being a conservative (or any political leaning) is not and should not be considered a Protected Class.

PKop 8y ago
You're basically couching your anti-conservative and anti-white viewpoints in flowery language. What laws are currently applying barriers to employment and disenfranchisement? We're literally commenting on a thread about one of the worlds biggest and richest tech companies applying barriers to white male employment (and by extension, if you look at the demographics of voting.. conservatives). You think it's ok because you view it as a redress of past sins. But whose? Anyone alive today? And what country does not have a history of those isms you've mentioned? That is excuse to install racist policies to tip scale against people simply based on their race or sex today.. in 2018?
- tibbon 8y ago
  So... I'm a white dude, and I 100% think I could get a job at Google, Facebook, Amazon, etc and that none of these policies would hold me back. Why are you so afraid of these policies? If you're good you'll still get the job. I'm not anti-white. I'm white myself? I just recognize that being white has done me well in this country in tons of ways. There's plenty of state level (and some federal) laws holding back people from successful employment opportunities. Lots of people get great training and experience in the armed services for example! Oh, I'm sorry, you're transgendered and come from a small town where often the armed services is one of the few paths out? Well, no experience for you there! No GI bill training either. The historical effects of redlining for real estate is still affecting current generations of people as well, making financial situations harder for families which provides less opportunity. Married couples often have greater economic stability. I couldn't get married to another guy in most states until recently. The day same-sex marriage happened didn't automatically undo the years where that wasn't possible or recognized. Maternity leave in the US is atrocious compared to other countries. These companies are hiring huge amounts of people overall, and I'm really not worried about them preferring to hire underrepresented people when they have the opportunity. I'd still get the job. Why are you worried about it?

delbel 8y ago

they wouldn't do this because it would expose their anti-white anti-Christian anti-men toxic policy of racism, which is ironically called "diversity" -- anything but. I remember back in the dot com days when google was just a bunch of white boxes, everyone used Altavista and/or yahoo, and men and women of all races worked together in harmony under the pretense of professionalism and I sadden that an entire generation of millennium seem to be growing up not knowing how nice it once was. I remember one job with a Japanese manager, a women executive, a korean analyst, a black manager, and me -- a white guy, who was the best at perl and pulled all nighters to make sure the ERP loading scripts never failed and doing conference calls together at midnight on a Sunday with everyone.

empath75 8y ago

Conservatives isn’t a protected class, and neither are liberals for that matter.

sheepmullet 8y ago
Perhaps it should be - there is far more undue discrimination against them than most of the protected classes.
- wavefunction 8y ago
  When I read "conservatives" say stuff like this, it makes me think they need some more experience with real oppression so they actually know what they're talking about.
- kolpa 8y ago
  Let's start with a simple data check: What % of conservatives are murdered each year for their political orientation, and how what % of gay people each year are murdered for their sexual orientation?
  - sheepmullet 8y ago
    Why don't we start with a more relevant data check: What percentage of gay people are discriminated against at top tech companies in California vs what percentage of conservatives?
slavak 8y ago
In California it is! https://www.employmentattorneyla.com/blog/2017/06/what-are-californias-protected-classes-in-employment.shtml https://www.employmentattorneyla.com/blog/2017/06/what-are-c...

saalweachter 8y ago

Have you considered that conservatives may just have, on average, a lower preference to work at a large tech company than liberals?