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It's not really ironic, computers and programs are different from ideas and minds. His complaint is about computation and maintaining uniformity in computationa

It's not really ironic, computers and programs are different from ideas and minds. His complaint is about computation and maintaining uniformity in computational philosophy, which is meant to allow development to flow with the least performance issues possible. Ideas can be impassioned, wrong, clever, ridiculous, circular, etc. Computation shouldn't be, but often is, because, preference. It's hard to hold all that stuff in one's head alone, and consistently feel like every time a problem is solved, a new one magically gets created, without having anyone to talk to, that really 'gets it', without that person pushing every single button you have about preference in computation.

thereare5lights 8y ago
You missed the point. He is haranguing about ignoring reality, all the while ignoring the reality of how to effectively work in groups. His method of interacting with people is an idiotic way of doing that and he damn well knows that and just doesn't give a fuck and yet he wants to hold others to that standard in other areas.
- s-shellfish 8y ago
  He's talking about computation, getting the computations to be correct. If you read the end of his message he's well aware that the reality of thinking in groups and transmitting ideas through non-computational language are flawed. It's an idiot way to you because you are too sensitive to it. I could very well point out how idiotic it is to say a person is an idiot for calling other people idiots, but honestly I'd rather just laugh at the insanity computation tends to bring out in all those that have to work on computers with other people.
  - thereare5lights 8y ago
    > He's talking about computation, getting the computations to be correct. Irrelevant to my point. > If you read the end of his message he's well aware that the reality of minds and ideas are flawed. And he still doesn't work with in the confines of human social behavior. > It's an idiot way to you because you are too sensitive to it. And when it hinders his ability to get things done because other people think he's an asshole, I'm sure you'll still be here saying "hurrrrr durrrrr stop being so sensitive". > I could very well point out how idiotic it is to say a person is an idiot for calling other people idiots, If you want to think calling someone an idiot for idiotic behavior is idiotic, then you're pretty sensitive. However since I don't need you to do anything for me, it doesn't hurt me in any way to treat you like an ass.
- robotresearcher 8y ago
  Your point is weakened by the fact that Linus has managed an enormous project for decades with incredible success. That scores some reality and effectiveness points, surely.
  - thereare5lights 8y ago
    That's great and it's a credit to him! Have you factored in the opportunity cost of being an ass for decades?
    - robotresearcher 8y ago
      I have not. I choose not to grumble in public that the enormous contribution to the world of a master craftsman could have been even more enormous if he'd done things the way I prefer instead of whatever way works for him. And then I get back to work using his software which I paid close to zero dollars for. Is there another gift horse whose mouth is so frequently inspected as Linus?
      - thereare5lights 8y ago
        Oh excuse me, I should bend over for him then! Because his achievements are so great, he must be immune to criticism!!! > the enormous contribution to the world of a master craftsman could have been even more enormous Hardly, it's about the contributions that don't exist from other people because of the insufferable shit-headedness of working with him. But that doesn't matter to you because we can't criticize him now can we? No, we must bend over because he is so much better than us!
        busterarm 8y ago
        Where are Matthew Garrett and Sarah Sharp's Linux kernel forks? Anyone else I forgot? I mean at least when the NetBSD group ego-tripped and removed Theo, he had the decency to work on OpenBSD. People who really want to contribute will find a way to, always. Unless something else is more important to them than contributing.

thereare5lights 8y ago

You missed the point. He is haranguing about ignoring reality, all the while ignoring the reality of how to effectively work in groups. His method of interacting with people is an idiotic way of doing that and he damn well knows that and just doesn't give a fuck and yet he wants to hold others to that standard in other areas.

s-shellfish 8y ago
He's talking about computation, getting the computations to be correct. If you read the end of his message he's well aware that the reality of thinking in groups and transmitting ideas through non-computational language are flawed. It's an idiot way to you because you are too sensitive to it. I could very well point out how idiotic it is to say a person is an idiot for calling other people idiots, but honestly I'd rather just laugh at the insanity computation tends to bring out in all those that have to work on computers with other people.
- thereare5lights 8y ago
  > He's talking about computation, getting the computations to be correct. Irrelevant to my point. > If you read the end of his message he's well aware that the reality of minds and ideas are flawed. And he still doesn't work with in the confines of human social behavior. > It's an idiot way to you because you are too sensitive to it. And when it hinders his ability to get things done because other people think he's an asshole, I'm sure you'll still be here saying "hurrrrr durrrrr stop being so sensitive". > I could very well point out how idiotic it is to say a person is an idiot for calling other people idiots, If you want to think calling someone an idiot for idiotic behavior is idiotic, then you're pretty sensitive. However since I don't need you to do anything for me, it doesn't hurt me in any way to treat you like an ass.
robotresearcher 8y ago
Your point is weakened by the fact that Linus has managed an enormous project for decades with incredible success. That scores some reality and effectiveness points, surely.
- thereare5lights 8y ago
  That's great and it's a credit to him! Have you factored in the opportunity cost of being an ass for decades?
  - robotresearcher 8y ago
    I have not. I choose not to grumble in public that the enormous contribution to the world of a master craftsman could have been even more enormous if he'd done things the way I prefer instead of whatever way works for him. And then I get back to work using his software which I paid close to zero dollars for. Is there another gift horse whose mouth is so frequently inspected as Linus?
    - thereare5lights 8y ago
      Oh excuse me, I should bend over for him then! Because his achievements are so great, he must be immune to criticism!!! > the enormous contribution to the world of a master craftsman could have been even more enormous Hardly, it's about the contributions that don't exist from other people because of the insufferable shit-headedness of working with him. But that doesn't matter to you because we can't criticize him now can we? No, we must bend over because he is so much better than us!
      - busterarm 8y ago
        Where are Matthew Garrett and Sarah Sharp's Linux kernel forks? Anyone else I forgot? I mean at least when the NetBSD group ego-tripped and removed Theo, he had the decency to work on OpenBSD. People who really want to contribute will find a way to, always. Unless something else is more important to them than contributing.