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So much swearing to make three points: 1. What's in practice conflicts with what the standard prescribes 2. The reason it conflicts is because the standard is
by allengeorge 8y ago
So much swearing to make three points:
1. What's in practice conflicts with what the standard prescribes
2. The reason it conflicts is because the standard is misguided and everyone knows that; for reliable code-generation you have to take the approach in the kernel
3. He disagrees with the rationale for the change, and wants a better reason for it
- cowpig 8y agoI would add 4. As a general rule, appealing to a standard isn't a sufficient rationale for making a change. (I think most of the swearing was about that)
- thothamon 8y agoI guess you're right that Linus was saying that -- after all, he considers the standard to be less important than toilet paper. Regardless, if standards should be questioned, then surely Linus also should be questioned. I think a better rule would be: Appealing to the standard is sufficient reason for a change, unless a good argument can be made that the standard is BS.
- Gibbon1 8y agoyeah but strict type aliasing bro...
- icelancer 8y ago"So much swearing..." Yes, yes, that's Linus. Most of us have learned to get past that.
- dragontamer 8y ago> Most of us have learned to get past that. Have we really? The post is over 100+ points right now. People seem to LIKE this swearing thing Linus does. I don't think its healthy for the general programming community. The tone that was written here is certainly not acceptable behavior on YCombinator in general. But we put up with Linus because... well... Linus is an elevated programmer and we all respect him. For better or for worse.
- icelancer 8y agoPretty much. You don't get one without the other. So it is what it is.
- zaarn 8y agoI think it gets points because Linus' Rants are usually good breeding ground for some discussion on various things. Also don't forget to contrast the occasional (about ~1/month) rant with the thousands of emails where he's level headed and polite.
- cmurf 8y agoSome of us find it reassuring someone cares enough to go on hyperbolic comedic rants from time to time. I know I enjoy seeing the moon pretty much every day, it's reassuring, even if it's made of cheese.
- icelancer 8y agoI think people misunderstood my comment. I'm very pro-Linus swearing, inasmuch as he just is who he is and people shaming him for swearing are yelling at clouds.
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- moistoreos 8y agoI would consider Linus one of those people who knows what the fuck he's talking about. Respect.
- hshehehjdjdjd 8y agoNobody doubts he knows what he is talking about. The question is whether he’s making his points effectively (no).
- maxk42 8y agoCan you prove swearing is ineffective? (Fuck no.)
- flukus 8y ago> So much swearing to make three points: By my count there is one f*cking, one bullshit, one shit and one arse, hardly "so much swearing". I think anyone complaining about that is way to sensitive.