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No, tell the LA Times to stop being shitty.

microcolonel 8y ago
They're not, though. They're just making a value judgement, and they've concluded that they don't get enough out of serving a customized version of the LA Times online to EU persons at this moment, to justify the associated legal exposure. The EU is basically saying "if you do business here, and you screw this up, we are going to sue you before seeking other remedies", which to me seems like an excellent con to the pro of whatever revenue the LA Times can expect to extract from less-targeted advertising in the EU.
- s73v3r_ 8y ago
  Yes, they are. You can say they're making a value judgement, but that doesn't change things. "The EU is basically saying "if you do business here, and you screw this up, we are going to sue you before seeking other remedies"" That has never, EVER been said. Not once. In fact, the vast majority of guidance says that they will seek compliance BEFORE suing people. If you can't get the basics right, no one here can trust you to have an honest conversation.
  - microcolonel 8y ago
    > The General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) provides the Data Protection Authorities with different options in case of non-compliance with the data protection rules > - likely infringement – a warning may be issued; > - infringement: the possibilities include a reprimand, a temporary or definitive ban on processing and a fine of up to €20 million or 4% of the business’s total annual worldwide turnover. > It is worth noting that in the case of an infringement, the DPA may impose a monetary fine instead of, or in addition to, the reprimand and/or ban on processing. > The authority must ensure that fines imposed in each individual case are effective, proportionate and dissuasive. In the official disclosure about enforcement, they state that warnings are optional ("may"), and only apply to "likely infringement", and they have more or less no standards determining what is "effective", "proportionate", or "dissuasive", and to me "proportionate" and "dissuasive" or "effective" are somewhat conflicting constraints. In some cases surely an effective fine is not proportionate, or a dissuasive fine is not effective or proportionate, or an effective fine is not dissuasive (that is, does not dissuade future infringement). I don't know what you consulted to get your information, but I would suspect europa.eu[0] is a decent source. Heck, you even contradict yourself, first you say: > That has never, EVER been said. Not once. But in the next breath, you say: > In fact, the vast majority of guidance says that they will seek compliance BEFORE suing people. If you "get the basics right", surely you realize that it can't be simultaneously the case that it has never, "EVER" been said that a suit will be filed before compliance is sought, but also that the complement of the "vast majority", the petty minority, say that they will sue people "BEFORE" seeking compliance, by your own statement. [0]: https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-topic/data-protection/reform/rules-business-and-organisations/enforcement-and-sanctions/sanctions/what-if-my-company-organisation-fails-comply-data-protection-rules_en https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-topic/data-protection/refo...

They're not, though. They're just making a value judgement, and they've concluded that they don't get enough out of serving a customized version of the LA Times online to EU persons at this moment, to justify the associated legal exposure. The EU is basically saying "if you do business here, and you screw this up, we are going to sue you before seeking other remedies", which to me seems like an excellent con to the pro of whatever revenue the LA Times can expect to extract from less-targeted advertising in the EU.

s73v3r_ 8y ago
Yes, they are. You can say they're making a value judgement, but that doesn't change things. "The EU is basically saying "if you do business here, and you screw this up, we are going to sue you before seeking other remedies"" That has never, EVER been said. Not once. In fact, the vast majority of guidance says that they will seek compliance BEFORE suing people. If you can't get the basics right, no one here can trust you to have an honest conversation.
- microcolonel 8y ago
  > The General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) provides the Data Protection Authorities with different options in case of non-compliance with the data protection rules > - likely infringement – a warning may be issued; > - infringement: the possibilities include a reprimand, a temporary or definitive ban on processing and a fine of up to €20 million or 4% of the business’s total annual worldwide turnover. > It is worth noting that in the case of an infringement, the DPA may impose a monetary fine instead of, or in addition to, the reprimand and/or ban on processing. > The authority must ensure that fines imposed in each individual case are effective, proportionate and dissuasive. In the official disclosure about enforcement, they state that warnings are optional ("may"), and only apply to "likely infringement", and they have more or less no standards determining what is "effective", "proportionate", or "dissuasive", and to me "proportionate" and "dissuasive" or "effective" are somewhat conflicting constraints. In some cases surely an effective fine is not proportionate, or a dissuasive fine is not effective or proportionate, or an effective fine is not dissuasive (that is, does not dissuade future infringement). I don't know what you consulted to get your information, but I would suspect europa.eu[0] is a decent source. Heck, you even contradict yourself, first you say: > That has never, EVER been said. Not once. But in the next breath, you say: > In fact, the vast majority of guidance says that they will seek compliance BEFORE suing people. If you "get the basics right", surely you realize that it can't be simultaneously the case that it has never, "EVER" been said that a suit will be filed before compliance is sought, but also that the complement of the "vast majority", the petty minority, say that they will sue people "BEFORE" seeking compliance, by your own statement. [0]: https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-topic/data-protection/reform/rules-business-and-organisations/enforcement-and-sanctions/sanctions/what-if-my-company-organisation-fails-comply-data-protection-rules_en https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-topic/data-protection/refo...