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> 'Secret' software is very hard to keep secret: once your enemy has a semi-intact drone/AI then they'll have upgraded their own fleet within months (if yours w

> 'Secret' software is very hard to keep secret: once your enemy has a semi-intact drone/AI then they'll have upgraded their own fleet within months (if yours was indeed superior). All new systems have anti-tamper mechanisms designed in from the start specifically to minimize the chances of this happening (assuming they work as intended).

throwaway2048 8y ago
judging by our utter inability to secure software and hardware stacks consistently, i wouldnt hold out much hope for this approach.
- buzer 8y ago
  Adding self destruction capabilities & possible booby traps on military use drones is a bit different from adding them on smartphones.
- vonmoltke 8y ago
  The world of bespoke military hardware is very different from consumer devices or commercial installations. Where off the shelf stuff is used, a lot of work goes into neutralizing the infiltration and exfiltration vectors. It is one of the reasons military computing systems are both so expensive and so behind the cutting edge.
  - throwaway2048 8y ago
    they also dont have magic pixie dust that solves the genuinely mathematicly hard problems involved in securing things. Your drone AI only needs to be stolen once.
    - ethbro 8y ago
      Comparing the DoD and MPAA, you're dealing with an order of magnitude more funding and talent. Are there waste and &#+$ups? Sure. But do an extra couple 0's produce more secure hardware? Absolutely.
- spacenick88 8y ago
  Well Xbox One and Playstation are holding up pretty well and there are millions of units to try stuff on and they need low per-unit cost so can't even use more expensive anti-tempering stuff
  - throwaway2048 8y ago
    there also arent nation state actors pouring in millions into cracking them. Or if there is, at least they arent going to tell the internet about it. And for the record the ps4 has had kernel level exploits published.

throwaway2048 8y ago

judging by our utter inability to secure software and hardware stacks consistently, i wouldnt hold out much hope for this approach.

buzer 8y ago
Adding self destruction capabilities & possible booby traps on military use drones is a bit different from adding them on smartphones.
vonmoltke 8y ago
The world of bespoke military hardware is very different from consumer devices or commercial installations. Where off the shelf stuff is used, a lot of work goes into neutralizing the infiltration and exfiltration vectors. It is one of the reasons military computing systems are both so expensive and so behind the cutting edge.
- throwaway2048 8y ago
  they also dont have magic pixie dust that solves the genuinely mathematicly hard problems involved in securing things. Your drone AI only needs to be stolen once.
  - ethbro 8y ago
    Comparing the DoD and MPAA, you're dealing with an order of magnitude more funding and talent. Are there waste and &#+$ups? Sure. But do an extra couple 0's produce more secure hardware? Absolutely.
spacenick88 8y ago
Well Xbox One and Playstation are holding up pretty well and there are millions of units to try stuff on and they need low per-unit cost so can't even use more expensive anti-tempering stuff
- throwaway2048 8y ago
  there also arent nation state actors pouring in millions into cracking them. Or if there is, at least they arent going to tell the internet about it. And for the record the ps4 has had kernel level exploits published.