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I think this is a pretty insightful an accurate point. I'd like to add the following: 'Secret' software is very hard to keep secret: once your enemy has a semi
by SCHiM 8y ago
I think this is a pretty insightful an accurate point. I'd like to add the following:
'Secret' software is very hard to keep secret: once your enemy has a semi-intact drone/AI then they'll have upgraded their own fleet within months (if yours was indeed superior).
I agree that it seems possible that a country with less wealth might outperform a country or group with more wealth. However, it's likely that the wealthier nation is better able to steal the technology and catch-up than the reverse scenario. A wealthier group has more budget for monetary bribes, and can pursue more parallel reverse-engineering attempts than the less wealthy group.
- APORWEVNAOEN 8y agoIt might be possible to ship the current trained model without exposing underlying training techniques/datasets. How possible would it be to pick up a XYZ learning model, reverse engineer it, and improve it in a useful way?
- pps43 8y agoVery difficult. It's much easier to train another model. Those things are mostly black boxes. Even the developers might not understand completely how they work.
- vonmoltke 8y ago> 'Secret' software is very hard to keep secret: once your enemy has a semi-intact drone/AI then they'll have upgraded their own fleet within months (if yours was indeed superior). All new systems have anti-tamper mechanisms designed in from the start specifically to minimize the chances of this happening (assuming they work as intended).
- throwaway2048 8y agojudging by our utter inability to secure software and hardware stacks consistently, i wouldnt hold out much hope for this approach.
- buzer 8y agoAdding self destruction capabilities & possible booby traps on military use drones is a bit different from adding them on smartphones.
- vonmoltke 8y agoThe world of bespoke military hardware is very different from consumer devices or commercial installations. Where off the shelf stuff is used, a lot of work goes into neutralizing the infiltration and exfiltration vectors. It is one of the reasons military computing systems are both so expensive and so behind the cutting edge.
- throwaway2048 8y agothey also dont have magic pixie dust that solves the genuinely mathematicly hard problems involved in securing things. Your drone AI only needs to be stolen once.
- ethbro 8y agoComparing the DoD and MPAA, you're dealing with an order of magnitude more funding and talent. Are there waste and &#+$ups? Sure. But do an extra couple 0's produce more secure hardware? Absolutely.
- spacenick88 8y agoWell Xbox One and Playstation are holding up pretty well and there are millions of units to try stuff on and they need low per-unit cost so can't even use more expensive anti-tempering stuff
- throwaway2048 8y agothere also arent nation state actors pouring in millions into cracking them. Or if there is, at least they arent going to tell the internet about it. And for the record the ps4 has had kernel level exploits published.