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They also have Visual Studio Profiles/Visual Studio Team Services, which appeared to be them trying to enter the space, but, bar people being forced to have a p

by louthy 8y ago

They also have Visual Studio Profiles/Visual Studio Team Services, which appeared to be them trying to enter the space, but, bar people being forced to have a profile to use VS I doubt many are using the team or project features of that. Then there's one of their dev cash cows: Team Foundation Server, which I assume has been dying a slow death over the past few years due to git dominance in the source control space. I moved my team away from the shit show which is TFS for git (not github) several years back now. So, I suspect this is shoring up their position, reducing the number of man ours needed in competing, and buying the best product on the market. I wouldn't be surprised if github got more enterprise project management features, where it's a bit light right now, and perhaps more around management of super large projects. As well as tighter integration with Visual Studio (at the project management level, rather than just the source control level) - to phase out TFS over time.

gokhan 8y ago
> moved my team away from the shit show which is TFS for git (not github) TFS also supports git repositories. Do you use TFVC (Team Foundation Version Control) and TFS interchangeably?
- louthy 8y ago
  We left TFS altogether because it was just so terrible, I've lost count of the number of hours lost to that software. We use Gitlab for source control now, Team City for builds, and Target Process for project management.
Spearchucker 8y ago
TFS is used in every single corporate I've worked for, for the last I don't know, 10 maybe 12 years?
- louthy 8y ago
  Perhaps there was some hyperbole in my statement, a more measured statement would be: I suspect that the more modern alternatives to TFS are perhaps starting to create a dent in the TFS cash cow, and M$ are hedging their position. Perhaps with an end goal of some interoperability, or full scale integration of github into TFS over time. Obviously this is all speculation, only M$ knows why they did it, but it seems like a good bet if they want to be providers of SaaS solutions and one of their existing solutions is under threat.
  - scarface74 8y ago
    Team Foundation Services has supported git for years.

by louthy 8y ago

gokhan 8y ago

> moved my team away from the shit show which is TFS for git (not github) TFS also supports git repositories. Do you use TFVC (Team Foundation Version Control) and TFS interchangeably?

louthy 8y ago
We left TFS altogether because it was just so terrible, I've lost count of the number of hours lost to that software. We use Gitlab for source control now, Team City for builds, and Target Process for project management.

Spearchucker 8y ago

TFS is used in every single corporate I've worked for, for the last I don't know, 10 maybe 12 years?

louthy 8y ago
Perhaps there was some hyperbole in my statement, a more measured statement would be: I suspect that the more modern alternatives to TFS are perhaps starting to create a dent in the TFS cash cow, and M$ are hedging their position. Perhaps with an end goal of some interoperability, or full scale integration of github into TFS over time. Obviously this is all speculation, only M$ knows why they did it, but it seems like a good bet if they want to be providers of SaaS solutions and one of their existing solutions is under threat.
- scarface74 8y ago
  Team Foundation Services has supported git for years.