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note: I'm James Donaldson, the CEO of Copperhead. We're hoping there is a peaceful resolution to this. As it currently stands, Daniel Micay has been and still

by _jayy 8y ago

note: I'm James Donaldson, the CEO of Copperhead. We're hoping there is a peaceful resolution to this. As it currently stands, Daniel Micay has been and still is a majority shareholder of Copperhead. I'm interested and open to discussions regarding these issues. Feel free to email me - james.donaldson@copperhead.co note: I've been advised that getting involved can only unfortunately only further complicate things. Feel free to reach out to me with questions. Thanks for the feedback everyone.

yegortimoshenko 8y ago
Daniel Micay is literally the guy behind Copperhead. He is the author of overwhelming majority of commits to CopperheadOS repos and almost single-handedly maintains hardened Linux kernel. Quite literally: open any repo in https://github.com/Copperhead https://github.com/Copperhead or https://github.com/CopperheadOS https://github.com/CopperheadOS and look how much thestinger (Daniel Micay) has been working on all of this. What you're doing is despicable and unfair. Please resign.
- _jayy 8y ago
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  - sam0x17 8y ago
    How many commits do you have? If the answer is 0, whatever you've been doing was probably not as productive or useful as anything your partner has been doing for years. If the guy who has written 90% of the code ghosts his CEO co-founder, my bet is it's the CEO being useless and not the CTO and I trust his word way more than yours. Regardless of how the CTO has handled this, you are clearly in the wrong somehow.
    - geofft 8y ago
      > How many commits do you have? If the answer is 0, whatever you've been doing was probably not as productive or useful as anything your partner has been doing for years. Tell me, does your employer's CEO have as many commits in the codebase as you do? If not, why are you working for this CEO instead of for yourself?
      - _jayy 8y ago
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        geofft 8y ago
        Exactly! (FWIW, I don't think fighting this in the court of public opinion, district of Hacker News is worth your time. The venue is prejudiced to believing that systems programming is a rare skill and we must all bow down to people who can do it, which is certainly not my experience as an actual systems programmer.)
        sam0x17 8y ago
        If you think so little of yourself, why should we listen to you? I'm not saying we should all bow down to systems programming, I just think "CEO" is a role that doesn't need to exist for a company like this. You could probably roll up most of the daily duties of said CEO and have them carried out by an intern-level sales guy. Technical people should be setting the direction of technical projects. When they don't have the skillset, they should delegate. There is no need for this amorphous "CEO" person who has tons of power but no skills to back it up. The exception is if they came up with the idea, and helped execute it from the beginning.
        sam0x17 8y ago
        Very good ones do, or at least could if they wanted to
      - sam0x17 8y ago
        edit: yes, in our case the CEO actually got his hands dirty when he had his idea and wrote a huge amount of code with no prior experience until the company had enough momentum to hire developers. A lot less than you would ever do clearly, based on your responses.
        geofft 8y ago
        Look at who you're replying to. I'm not the CEO. I'm not affiliated with Copperhead at all. I'm a random systems programmer who actually knows the subject area.
  - yegortimoshenko 8y ago
    Sales is means, not a goal in and of itself. What you're suggesting is a broken economic model that doesn't honor people that add to the world (i.e. authors).
handbanana 8y ago
> It's VERY unfortunate that Daniel Micay is airing dirty laundry >ironically, from a @gmail.com account,as he refuses to answer from his @copperhead.co address now Go on...
- _jayy 8y ago
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  - sam0x17 8y ago
    As if Google even cares about this. Seriously, check your ego. You are just focusing on the gmail thing to take focus away from whatever the actual dispute is.
  - handbanana 8y ago
    > if you notice, the letters are addressed to danielmicay@gmail.com Why do you think that is? > However, now that the cat is out of the bag Go on...
geofft 8y ago
Out of curiosity, are you familiar with strcat's previous involvement and later dis-involvement in the Rust community? (slash, were you, when you started working with him?) It's not my story to tell at all, as someone who's not a Rust core contributor or anything (and certainly wasn't at the time), but http://slash-r-slash-rust.github.io/archived/2u1dme.html http://slash-r-slash-rust.github.io/archived/2u1dme.html is part of it. (IIRC the /r/rust mods archived that thread on GitHub as a compromise between deleting something from Reddit and leaving something Googleable with his name.) There was a lot of dirty laundry in public and my impression is that neither he nor the Rust core maintainers left that situation happy.
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sam0x17 8y ago
This shouldn't even be a profitable company -- it should be a non-profit open source project.
mr__y 8y ago
Is this drama being made public intentionally as a form of brand recognition campaign? While questionable, this seems like an effective way to have a lot of media coverage (of course assuming that my hypothesis is true)

by _jayy 8y ago

yegortimoshenko 8y ago

Daniel Micay is literally the guy behind Copperhead. He is the author of overwhelming majority of commits to CopperheadOS repos and almost single-handedly maintains hardened Linux kernel. Quite literally: open any repo in https://github.com/Copperhead https://github.com/Copperhead or https://github.com/CopperheadOS https://github.com/CopperheadOS and look how much thestinger (Daniel Micay) has been working on all of this. What you're doing is despicable and unfair. Please resign.

_jayy 8y ago
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- sam0x17 8y ago
  How many commits do you have? If the answer is 0, whatever you've been doing was probably not as productive or useful as anything your partner has been doing for years. If the guy who has written 90% of the code ghosts his CEO co-founder, my bet is it's the CEO being useless and not the CTO and I trust his word way more than yours. Regardless of how the CTO has handled this, you are clearly in the wrong somehow.
  - geofft 8y ago
    > How many commits do you have? If the answer is 0, whatever you've been doing was probably not as productive or useful as anything your partner has been doing for years. Tell me, does your employer's CEO have as many commits in the codebase as you do? If not, why are you working for this CEO instead of for yourself?
    - _jayy 8y ago
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      - geofft 8y ago
        Exactly! (FWIW, I don't think fighting this in the court of public opinion, district of Hacker News is worth your time. The venue is prejudiced to believing that systems programming is a rare skill and we must all bow down to people who can do it, which is certainly not my experience as an actual systems programmer.)
        sam0x17 8y ago
        If you think so little of yourself, why should we listen to you? I'm not saying we should all bow down to systems programming, I just think "CEO" is a role that doesn't need to exist for a company like this. You could probably roll up most of the daily duties of said CEO and have them carried out by an intern-level sales guy. Technical people should be setting the direction of technical projects. When they don't have the skillset, they should delegate. There is no need for this amorphous "CEO" person who has tons of power but no skills to back it up. The exception is if they came up with the idea, and helped execute it from the beginning.
      - sam0x17 8y ago
        Very good ones do, or at least could if they wanted to
    - sam0x17 8y ago
      edit: yes, in our case the CEO actually got his hands dirty when he had his idea and wrote a huge amount of code with no prior experience until the company had enough momentum to hire developers. A lot less than you would ever do clearly, based on your responses.
      - geofft 8y ago
        Look at who you're replying to. I'm not the CEO. I'm not affiliated with Copperhead at all. I'm a random systems programmer who actually knows the subject area.
- yegortimoshenko 8y ago
  Sales is means, not a goal in and of itself. What you're suggesting is a broken economic model that doesn't honor people that add to the world (i.e. authors).

handbanana 8y ago

> It's VERY unfortunate that Daniel Micay is airing dirty laundry >ironically, from a @gmail.com account,as he refuses to answer from his @copperhead.co address now Go on...

_jayy 8y ago
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- sam0x17 8y ago
  As if Google even cares about this. Seriously, check your ego. You are just focusing on the gmail thing to take focus away from whatever the actual dispute is.
- handbanana 8y ago
  > if you notice, the letters are addressed to danielmicay@gmail.com Why do you think that is? > However, now that the cat is out of the bag Go on...

geofft 8y ago

Out of curiosity, are you familiar with strcat's previous involvement and later dis-involvement in the Rust community? (slash, were you, when you started working with him?) It's not my story to tell at all, as someone who's not a Rust core contributor or anything (and certainly wasn't at the time), but http://slash-r-slash-rust.github.io/archived/2u1dme.html http://slash-r-slash-rust.github.io/archived/2u1dme.html is part of it. (IIRC the /r/rust mods archived that thread on GitHub as a compromise between deleting something from Reddit and leaving something Googleable with his name.) There was a lot of dirty laundry in public and my impression is that neither he nor the Rust core maintainers left that situation happy.

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sam0x17 8y ago

This shouldn't even be a profitable company -- it should be a non-profit open source project.

mr__y 8y ago

Is this drama being made public intentionally as a form of brand recognition campaign? While questionable, this seems like an effective way to have a lot of media coverage (of course assuming that my hypothesis is true)