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>The statement here is that ASKfm is not at all afraid to rise to challenges. They're conquering Everest because it's out there to conquer. By doing so they cla

>The statement here is that ASKfm is not at all afraid to rise to challenges. They're conquering Everest because it's out there to conquer. By doing so they claim: if they're bold enough to do it, they're bold enough to turn a social network into a blockchain ecosystem, and they're definitely bold enough to overturn the market with their new product. This nonsense could be an absurd line from HBO's Silicon Valley, and people would have found it hilarious. Instead it's not only real, it's cost _a life_. I can't believe this.

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MiddleEndian 8y ago
When watching Silicon Valley I found some lines to be too over-the-top, only to find out they were quotes from real people.
- fullshark 8y ago
  Do you have any examples or a resource with some of the best ones?
  - adtac 8y ago
    I found it hilarious when Gavin compared his treatment to the plight of the Jews in Nazi Germany [1]. And then I found out it was actually based on this guy [2]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5zQpN28xa4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5zQpN28xa4 [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN-vUaawaF8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN-vUaawaF8
    - ConnorG 8y ago
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oh_sigh 8y ago
The person who died was a sherpa - the people who willingly take the job to transport rich people up the mountain. The sherpa knew what he was getting into, and the context of the expedition seems highly irrelevant. Would it be better or worse if the sherpa died during a normal trip where he was ferrying a multimillionaire Englishman up to the top?
- ggggtez 8y ago
  This is completely backwards way of thinking about the world, and you should really take a moment and think about it. Consider this: Somewhere in the world, someone is going to eat poison on camera to get some ad money on YouTube. Would you say "Well it was going to happen anyway, so I might as well pay them to tattoo my brandname on their forehead while they're at it"? No, you'd probably say "Wow, that sounds like a risky thing to do, and maybe it would look really bad for my brand, especially if they actually did die". So you should take a moment and ask "Why am I blaming the sherpa for the death, but absolving the rich people who paid him to do it?". There is a world view where you can think that maybe people shouldn't pay people to do risky things for stupid reasons.
  - oh_sigh 8y ago
    If you really think it is that dangerous, you should argue against anyone climbing Mt Everest then, not just people who happen to be sponsored with a publicity stunt. I'd encourage you to pitch that to the sherpas and see what their reaction would be to you wanting to take away pretty much their only source of income.
    - Retra 8y ago
      People shouldn't be climbing Mt Everest. There is little to be gained by doing so. Unless of course somebody creates a reason by artificially choosing to incentivize it, but they could just as well incentivize doing something else instead.
sneak 8y ago
Pretty sure it was the “climbing Mt Everest” part that cost a life, not their stupid marketing copy.
- ggggtez 8y ago
  So, someone paid money to someone, and it resulted in someone dying. Why do you think that's okay exactly?
  - seangrant 8y ago
    A consenting adult pays another consenting adult with more experience to do a life threatening task together. One dies. How is this not okay? What are you expecting? For people to never climb Mt Everest again?
    - ggggtez 8y ago
      In the USA, it's illegal for me to pay you to kill yourself. The issue isn't as cut and dry as legality anyway. Just because something is legal doesn't mean it's morally justifiable. So yeah, there is a world view where paying people money to risk their lives to advertise your buttcoin is immoral.
      - dwild 8y ago
        >So yeah, there is a world view where paying people money to risk their lives to advertise your buttcoin is immoral. So there's legit no reason to pay someone to climb Mount Everest? What about raising money? Is it still immoral? What about if that person was going to climb either way (which was also true in this situation)?

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MiddleEndian 8y ago

When watching Silicon Valley I found some lines to be too over-the-top, only to find out they were quotes from real people.

fullshark 8y ago
Do you have any examples or a resource with some of the best ones?
- adtac 8y ago
  I found it hilarious when Gavin compared his treatment to the plight of the Jews in Nazi Germany [1]. And then I found out it was actually based on this guy [2]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5zQpN28xa4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5zQpN28xa4 [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN-vUaawaF8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN-vUaawaF8
  - ConnorG 8y ago
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oh_sigh 8y ago

The person who died was a sherpa - the people who willingly take the job to transport rich people up the mountain. The sherpa knew what he was getting into, and the context of the expedition seems highly irrelevant. Would it be better or worse if the sherpa died during a normal trip where he was ferrying a multimillionaire Englishman up to the top?

ggggtez 8y ago
This is completely backwards way of thinking about the world, and you should really take a moment and think about it. Consider this: Somewhere in the world, someone is going to eat poison on camera to get some ad money on YouTube. Would you say "Well it was going to happen anyway, so I might as well pay them to tattoo my brandname on their forehead while they're at it"? No, you'd probably say "Wow, that sounds like a risky thing to do, and maybe it would look really bad for my brand, especially if they actually did die". So you should take a moment and ask "Why am I blaming the sherpa for the death, but absolving the rich people who paid him to do it?". There is a world view where you can think that maybe people shouldn't pay people to do risky things for stupid reasons.
- oh_sigh 8y ago
  If you really think it is that dangerous, you should argue against anyone climbing Mt Everest then, not just people who happen to be sponsored with a publicity stunt. I'd encourage you to pitch that to the sherpas and see what their reaction would be to you wanting to take away pretty much their only source of income.
  - Retra 8y ago
    People shouldn't be climbing Mt Everest. There is little to be gained by doing so. Unless of course somebody creates a reason by artificially choosing to incentivize it, but they could just as well incentivize doing something else instead.

sneak 8y ago

Pretty sure it was the “climbing Mt Everest” part that cost a life, not their stupid marketing copy.

ggggtez 8y ago
So, someone paid money to someone, and it resulted in someone dying. Why do you think that's okay exactly?
- seangrant 8y ago
  A consenting adult pays another consenting adult with more experience to do a life threatening task together. One dies. How is this not okay? What are you expecting? For people to never climb Mt Everest again?
  - ggggtez 8y ago
    In the USA, it's illegal for me to pay you to kill yourself. The issue isn't as cut and dry as legality anyway. Just because something is legal doesn't mean it's morally justifiable. So yeah, there is a world view where paying people money to risk their lives to advertise your buttcoin is immoral.
    - dwild 8y ago
      >So yeah, there is a world view where paying people money to risk their lives to advertise your buttcoin is immoral. So there's legit no reason to pay someone to climb Mount Everest? What about raising money? Is it still immoral? What about if that person was going to climb either way (which was also true in this situation)?