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> Cui bono? Assad primarily. He uses weapons (including chemical) to kill his enemies, news at 11. > Haven't your latest false flags and Novichok poisonings

by varjag 8y ago

> Cui bono? Assad primarily. He uses weapons (including chemical) to kill his enemies, news at 11. > Haven't your latest false flags and Novichok poisonings had the effect you wanted? When you side with scumbags, the whole reality becomes a patchwork of false flag conspiracies. That's how you can sleep at night dude, the victims of the monsters you support have to be the baddies.

jessaustin 8y ago
I can't sleep at night. My taxes and the patriotism of my countrymen have been stolen to line the pockets of armaments manufacturers and their puppets in politics and media. The media itself has been perverted to the point that "truth" is bizarre caricature, twisted more and more to make us fear more and more, when most of us have never been safer. Look at the tripe you're serving here: I can actually imagine you believe most of it. "Let's invade nations because the government killed some people! Please ignore the people our own cops, military, and contracted deathmurderdrones are killing!" Those armaments for which we pay so much are killing innocent people in seven nations right now that they will even admit [0], with more planned soon. [1] Even in a global context of ever-increasing peace and prosperity, the bastards in our secret services are hard at work toppling more elected governments, to sow the seeds for more violence that simply must be addressed in the only way we know how. Those same bastards have brought the same practices back home. We have far too many laws and far too many cops struggling (failing) to enforce them without turning large swathes of USA and (especially) Latin America into Iraq. We have more prisoners than any nation or empire in history, in both percentage and absolute terms. One might think we had the rest of the world beaten pretty badly on military spending, at least until one considered how much more we spend than they do building prisons. Yeah, I'm the one sleeping. I would advise you to start following Glenn Greenwald, Abby Martin, or others who can offer a clue to the clueless, but I'm sure it would set you off on the same tired talking-point McCarthyist character assassination with which you started this desultory thread. [0] https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/a3ywd5/white-house-acknowledges-the-us-is-at-war-in-seven-countries https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/a3ywd5/white-house-ackno... [1] https://www.salon.com/2011/11/26/wes_clark_and_the_neocon_dream/ https://www.salon.com/2011/11/26/wes_clark_and_the_neocon_dr...
- cfadvan 8y ago
  This is a hell of a post, and I agree with almost all of it. One piece of advice I’d give is that terms like “false flags” have been so poisoned by lunatics that it’s probably worth avoiding them. My impression of you at the start of this comment chain was “he probably thinks we’re going to be marched off to FEMA camps by lizard people,” to “Oh no, actually he’s quite rational and making solid points.” Part of that is clearly my problem, but part of it is the reality that most of the people using certain phrases are nuts. I don’t know how much of the allegations regarding Syria or Novichok in the U.K. are genuine, and it doesn’t really matter. Your larger point about how widespread violence is a primary economic tool of the US is better supported without reference to them anyway.
  - jessaustin 8y ago
    I appreciate the sentiment. What was the greatest trick the Devil ever pulled? One tries to use terms like "false flag" sparingly, not because they aren't a real thing but because of the connotations you cite. They must be mentioned occasionally, however, if the world is ever to improve. Some people don't believe that CIA topples democratically elected governments. Some people don't believe that FBI harasses and eliminates political enemies. Some people believe that voluntarily going to war on the other side of the planet is ever a reasonable response to events on the other side of the planet. Our news media has already paid all the attention to the alleged Syrian chemical attacks and alleged UK poisoning "victim" (seriously, now we're supposed to empathize with GRU spies?) that it will ever pay. Nothing more "reputable" will ever be said about these events; they have expired as useful props. Humans suffer when their memories are poor. It is God's work, to inspire memory. The 17th time we're asked to invade a nation for nebulous "human rights" reasons, enough of us might remember the previous 16 times that we're inspired to put our feet down. One doubts thread parent is among those who can learn anyway, beginning as he did with such despicable slurs against an American hero. If we squint we can see standing behind him (puppet arms run up his ass) the ghosts of all the bastards who have ever done awful things in darkness, venting their spleen at those who would let in the sunlight. They have hated Hersh for half a century, and they have enough influence that HN randoms they haven't even heard of, are parroting their noxious propaganda.

by varjag 8y ago

jessaustin 8y ago

I can't sleep at night. My taxes and the patriotism of my countrymen have been stolen to line the pockets of armaments manufacturers and their puppets in politics and media. The media itself has been perverted to the point that "truth" is bizarre caricature, twisted more and more to make us fear more and more, when most of us have never been safer. Look at the tripe you're serving here: I can actually imagine you believe most of it. "Let's invade nations because the government killed some people! Please ignore the people our own cops, military, and contracted deathmurderdrones are killing!" Those armaments for which we pay so much are killing innocent people in seven nations right now that they will even admit [0], with more planned soon. [1] Even in a global context of ever-increasing peace and prosperity, the bastards in our secret services are hard at work toppling more elected governments, to sow the seeds for more violence that simply must be addressed in the only way we know how. Those same bastards have brought the same practices back home. We have far too many laws and far too many cops struggling (failing) to enforce them without turning large swathes of USA and (especially) Latin America into Iraq. We have more prisoners than any nation or empire in history, in both percentage and absolute terms. One might think we had the rest of the world beaten pretty badly on military spending, at least until one considered how much more we spend than they do building prisons. Yeah, I'm the one sleeping. I would advise you to start following Glenn Greenwald, Abby Martin, or others who can offer a clue to the clueless, but I'm sure it would set you off on the same tired talking-point McCarthyist character assassination with which you started this desultory thread. [0] https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/a3ywd5/white-house-acknowledges-the-us-is-at-war-in-seven-countries https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/a3ywd5/white-house-ackno... [1] https://www.salon.com/2011/11/26/wes_clark_and_the_neocon_dream/ https://www.salon.com/2011/11/26/wes_clark_and_the_neocon_dr...

cfadvan 8y ago
This is a hell of a post, and I agree with almost all of it. One piece of advice I’d give is that terms like “false flags” have been so poisoned by lunatics that it’s probably worth avoiding them. My impression of you at the start of this comment chain was “he probably thinks we’re going to be marched off to FEMA camps by lizard people,” to “Oh no, actually he’s quite rational and making solid points.” Part of that is clearly my problem, but part of it is the reality that most of the people using certain phrases are nuts. I don’t know how much of the allegations regarding Syria or Novichok in the U.K. are genuine, and it doesn’t really matter. Your larger point about how widespread violence is a primary economic tool of the US is better supported without reference to them anyway.
- jessaustin 8y ago
  I appreciate the sentiment. What was the greatest trick the Devil ever pulled? One tries to use terms like "false flag" sparingly, not because they aren't a real thing but because of the connotations you cite. They must be mentioned occasionally, however, if the world is ever to improve. Some people don't believe that CIA topples democratically elected governments. Some people don't believe that FBI harasses and eliminates political enemies. Some people believe that voluntarily going to war on the other side of the planet is ever a reasonable response to events on the other side of the planet. Our news media has already paid all the attention to the alleged Syrian chemical attacks and alleged UK poisoning "victim" (seriously, now we're supposed to empathize with GRU spies?) that it will ever pay. Nothing more "reputable" will ever be said about these events; they have expired as useful props. Humans suffer when their memories are poor. It is God's work, to inspire memory. The 17th time we're asked to invade a nation for nebulous "human rights" reasons, enough of us might remember the previous 16 times that we're inspired to put our feet down. One doubts thread parent is among those who can learn anyway, beginning as he did with such despicable slurs against an American hero. If we squint we can see standing behind him (puppet arms run up his ass) the ghosts of all the bastards who have ever done awful things in darkness, venting their spleen at those who would let in the sunlight. They have hated Hersh for half a century, and they have enough influence that HN randoms they haven't even heard of, are parroting their noxious propaganda.