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Many employees do much more than what they're asked to do. Stay longer hours, postpone their families and many times take salary hits, refuse job offers, give a

Many employees do much more than what they're asked to do. Stay longer hours, postpone their families and many times take salary hits, refuse job offers, give away intellectual property... many even put their health and marriage on the line. And without that sacrifice on the part of employees, many companies would never have made it out of a vast pool of mediocre nondescript companies. This is not the case for every employee or every company, but I think you need to balance your world view a little bit.

dogma1138 8y ago
While that’s true that’s also their problem. Unless they are being forced to do that without proper compensation in which case they should leave they aren’t and shouldn’t be awarded with extra just because they are workaholics if nothing else is that because it forces other people to invest more than they want or can. For quite some time in the start of my working career I was staying till 9-10pm at work working on extra projects, perfecting something having fun etc. until at some point my then manager took me a side and told me to stop it not because of what it did to my life and not even because of the potential liability the company had but because of my other team members. He basically said look you are 25 you can do what ever the hell you want but “Joe” is 42 and “Mark” is 45 don’t put them in a position to have to compete with you when there is nothing on the line. Since then and since getting much more experience I’ve really taken that to heart and I actually detest people who spend considerable amount of time on top what is expected and appropriate at work and I work actively to prevent anyone on my team or who I engage with doing so. If you like to code 24/7 do your 9/5 job and then work on some FOSS project on the side, take a 2nd job or volunteer at some charity and build them a new donor engagement platform. Don’t force me to feel bad or uncomfortable for leaving at 5.
- partycoder 8y ago
  I understand. I am just challenging that "employees take no risks" view.
  - parvenu74 8y ago
    "Employees knowing the risks" makes me think of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQdDRrcAOjA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQdDRrcAOjA

dogma1138 8y ago

While that’s true that’s also their problem. Unless they are being forced to do that without proper compensation in which case they should leave they aren’t and shouldn’t be awarded with extra just because they are workaholics if nothing else is that because it forces other people to invest more than they want or can. For quite some time in the start of my working career I was staying till 9-10pm at work working on extra projects, perfecting something having fun etc. until at some point my then manager took me a side and told me to stop it not because of what it did to my life and not even because of the potential liability the company had but because of my other team members. He basically said look you are 25 you can do what ever the hell you want but “Joe” is 42 and “Mark” is 45 don’t put them in a position to have to compete with you when there is nothing on the line. Since then and since getting much more experience I’ve really taken that to heart and I actually detest people who spend considerable amount of time on top what is expected and appropriate at work and I work actively to prevent anyone on my team or who I engage with doing so. If you like to code 24/7 do your 9/5 job and then work on some FOSS project on the side, take a 2nd job or volunteer at some charity and build them a new donor engagement platform. Don’t force me to feel bad or uncomfortable for leaving at 5.

partycoder 8y ago
I understand. I am just challenging that "employees take no risks" view.
- parvenu74 8y ago
  "Employees knowing the risks" makes me think of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQdDRrcAOjA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQdDRrcAOjA